No real fun anymore

**jabberwock** · 07-04-08, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Originally Posted by thetomdude

Originally Posted by CivilWars

That is also exactly how helpful a monthly post about team stacking is.

I'm sorry to not fit your expectations about posting Civil, but this is the TTP BF2 server forum and I had this to say/write. Jeep, I know what you mean but this happened often lately and I was frustrated about it. Maybe it's the time I play on the server. Maybe it's better later in the evenings.

Not trying to bust your balls, but let me give you a little insight, which based on your time here I am sure you already have, but I will indulge you anyway. Typically about once a month someone starts a topic similar to this. It starts out as just a basic complaint about how one night the teams were stacked. It then progresses into how, why, and what can be done to fix it. Then it evolves into talking poorly about other players mothers, sisters, and pets. Then it gets locked and we wait about 4 weeks for the cycle to repeat itself.

If there is anything new to bring to the table I am all ears, but most of us have already heard this tune way to many times.

The real problem with the team stacking threads is how they get hijacked by the local "I hate team stacking threads" contingent, and a hate on between the parties ensues.

Start your own damn thread! Or just don't read it if it pisses you off so much, and you've heard it all before.

They start because people like to bitch about bad gaming experiences and try to do something about the problems. That'll never change, and kudos to them!

As I understand it, if the BF2 admin tools and game mechanics (squads) supported it, TTP would keep the teams fair. As it stands, BF2CC is not the tool for it. The players are.

**MaBell37** · 07-04-08, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by Toker

Originally Posted by thetomdude

Great games today/night. Team stacking ('bout 15 against 4 regs), uneven teams (28 vs 18 for 10 mins), and spawn camping/killing. I quit after 4 rounds. Great games. No thanks.

Suck it up.

I would expect more from a reg. Unbelievable.

And, actually, Jabber, thats what the REGS and ADMINS are for. Not just the players. The players should have enough integrity to fix the problem, but the Regs and Admins (of which I understand there are so many now) should be paying more attention to detail and exercising a little more leadership.

TheTomDude has been a person I am proud to call a friend and I don't know a whole lot of times (if ever) that he just throws a little temper tantrum and then posts in here about it. Unlike some other people...(me

) So, bottom line, if he feels it's important enough to say something about, we oughta be doing something about it. NOT just telling someone to suck it up. Tom has been here at TTP as long as, if not longer, than me, and I don't know anyone that has a problem or ever has, with anything he's ever said.

**CivilWars** · 07-04-08, 01:42 AM

Actually, the real problem Jabber is that 99% of people at TTP are problem solvers. That includes admins, reservists, and regulars. So when someone brings a problem to the table everyone else tries to fix the problem. In this case there is no fix to the problem unless we can somehow genetically later every player that connects to the server to give them some intestinal fortitude. Maybe then they would choose to leave the stacked team, if there is such a thing, and help the weaker team. The problem is then that with auto balance on only so many players, if any, can switch at any given time. The other problem is then all the good players switch from strong to weak and weak becomes strong, so you still have the same problem, just on the opposing side.

If someone just wants to complain about how bad they got beat up I totally understand. I am usually on the losing end of most battles I get in unless I am on the BF2 server. Where the problem comes in is when people try to come to the conclusion of what will solve the problem, and it happens every time. If you doubt me use the search feature and prove me wrong, then we can talk more about it.

**jabberwock** · 07-04-08, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Actually, the real problem Jabber is that 99% of people at TTP are problem solvers. That includes admins, reservists, and regulars. So when someone brings a problem to the table everyone else tries to fix the problem. In this case there is no fix to the problem unless we can somehow genetically later every player that connects to the server to give them some intestinal fortitude. Maybe then they would choose to leave the stacked team, if there is such a thing, and help the weaker team. The problem is then that with auto balance on only so many players, if any, can switch at any given time. The other problem is then all the good players switch from strong to weak and weak becomes strong, so you still have the same problem, just on the opposing side.

If someone just wants to complain about how bad they got beat up I totally understand. I am usually on the losing end of most battles I get in unless I am on the BF2 server. Where the problem comes in is when people try to come to the conclusion of what will solve the problem, and it happens every time. If you doubt me use the search feature and prove me wrong, then we can talk more about it.

Y'know... Someone who feels a strong dislike for teamstacking threads could put together an article addressing all the issues generally brought up in those threads. Answers would already be there, and all you'd have to do is post a link once a month

**CivilWars** · 07-04-08, 01:48 AM

The search feature is your friend. Go find the topic where I linked I believe 9 or 10 topics that all dealt with team stacking on just the BF2 server. If people have not bothered to read or learn from those what makes you think they would read or learn from an article with the same information?

**millwalljames** · 07-04-08, 02:06 AM

Hi Gentlemen,

I played today on the same side as tom. I can understand his frustration as we were well and truly murdered for a few games. Sharqi Peninsula was a turning point for my moral though. I decided to make a squad called "defend tv". I can remember kk98 and 60 minute reporter joined my squad and I think marauder as well. The best piece of squad action I have had on this server for weeks.
Our side lost all the flags except TV. We had 3 snipers in our squad. Support and a medic.

Once the flags were lost we knew they would come.....And boy did they come!. At one stage we were throwing claymores down the stairs as quick as we could be supplied. We were laughing so hard. It was like national blow up a lemming day. We used so many claymores that we started to earn all sorts of badges. I earned Veteran explosives and I think kk98 earned one as well. The most hectic fire fight I can remember!.

We stood side by side and conquered.....a truly remarkable experience.......and I thank the great players that was in my squad.

My point?. Stick at it Tom. Every dog has his day.

I have found that at times on this server players migrate to be with there friends. I personally do not have a problem with it. After a while the server kind of balances out. What i do not like is people that switch tactically. Its dishonarable. A turn coat we call it in England.

Stick with it tom.

millwalljames

**Xavsnipe** · 07-04-08, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by jabberwock

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Actually, the real problem Jabber is that 99% of people at TTP are problem solvers. That includes admins, reservists, and regulars. So when someone brings a problem to the table everyone else tries to fix the problem. In this case there is no fix to the problem unless we can somehow genetically later every player that connects to the server to give them some intestinal fortitude. Maybe then they would choose to leave the stacked team, if there is such a thing, and help the weaker team. The problem is then that with auto balance on only so many players, if any, can switch at any given time. The other problem is then all the good players switch from strong to weak and weak becomes strong, so you still have the same problem, just on the opposing side.

If someone just wants to complain about how bad they got beat up I totally understand. I am usually on the losing end of most battles I get in unless I am on the BF2 server. Where the problem comes in is when people try to come to the conclusion of what will solve the problem, and it happens every time. If you doubt me use the search feature and prove me wrong, then we can talk more about it.

Y'know... Someone who feels a strong dislike for teamstacking threads could put together an article addressing all the issues generally brought up in those threads. Answers would already be there, and all you'd have to do is post a link once a month

I did...it got locked because it got ugly :P

**ninja|oaklandr** · 07-04-08, 02:11 AM

Nothing against TomDude, but I am getting tired of these damn threads. Every single one says lately it's been getting worse and a new one is posted every week or two. So that means it is always going on and never stops. Read every other post to see the suggestions on how to fix it or what to do. Until then keep dust yourself off and keep fighting on.

**LewTeNantDan** · 07-04-08, 02:18 AM

I am going to admit I have made one of these posts and have learned since then to stick it out. The tides do eventually turn...like this one here...
I came in on the final half of the domination and squaded with Mill. Our squad was actually doing something and the rest, well no so much...THEN came Highway Tampa, I created a squad filled with chaos, jester, 60 minutes, kk, and I don't remember the last one (sry chew me out if it was you). I told them, "If we win this one we are going to win the next maps to come." I tell my squad to defend Gas station while the other squads take flags, total of 3 squads (a lot of people left). I'll tell you something, we never lost that flag and we faced waves of 6 to 7 pieces of armor at a time. We won that round and at the end chaos tells me that is the most fun he has ever had on that map and because he said that, he persuaded me to be squad leader the rest of the day. That is my highlight of the day.

Just tough out the stacked teams. Either they will eventually even out or who knows Highway Tampa may come around the corner :9