Thread: Poll: What would your ideal 2142 map mode configurations be for the servers?

Originally Posted by FrauBlucher

<gasp> you sir are no 2142er <spank>

Nope, I'm a BF2er that likes 2142 better, but hasn't learned all the ins and outs, read a bunch of crap on it, studied it in all it's intricacies.. I'm n000000btastic

I just like to play it.. preferably titan mode

Originally Posted by Redeye7

Why does a conquest only server have to include every map in the game?

Titan servers don't have to do that.

Just curious as to what the point would be in doing so. I think most enjoy conquest because of the intensity, and the emphasis on foot soldiers. Just a hunch.

But I don't quite understand why would we want to make people play through bridge, and shuhia, etc. on conquest mode...wouldn't they be choosing conquest mode over titan mode to AVOID those maps (for the most part)?

if that were true, the conquest server woulnd't be as popular as it is. I think the conquest, full on super maps like suez and sidi and verdun are 10X more enjoyable than the small potatoes maps like tunis and gibraltar.

Of course, I also know how to drive tanks and use vehicles, terrain, and a full squad. I'm not a lone wolf assault class, which is what the on-foot maps like tunis cater to, and promote.

if youw ant to play that....then why waste your time on 2142 and BF2....why not just play TF2, CSS, DoD, or CoD4? There's no big scary mechs and tanks there to ruin your walking fun.

and the reason there are less maps on the titan server is because it isn't possible to play all maps on titan. Liepzig, gibraltar, tunis, berlin, belgrade, etc.....titan mode isn't available.

2 "mixed mode servers" wil likely mean we go back to the primary/top5 config. Why? To ensure the secondary server (top5) is easier to prime, and maintain, it will only have the most popular maps in the most popular modes.

Originally Posted by Redeye7

Well, I guess you could call more maps on conquest bringing more variety...but not all of those maps are nearly as suited to a conquest style of play...more variety doesn't necessarily mean better game play or more enjoyable maps.

Just because a map can be played in both modes, doesn't mean that its fun, or that is what people want.

Don't you all hear the groans when tampa comes up in conquest? Or Remagen? I hear it each and every single time they come up. Every single time. Most people even seem to hate wake, i hear that every single time it comes up also. it's not just people making it up and seeming like their opinions are everyones.

I know that there are people out there that DO like them...but does that make it better for the server?

But I hear those voices on the forums. When the maps come up in the rotation, its a spam of map change votes, groaning on the mics, hearing people say they are breaking for dinner and will be back later. So many times when one of those rolls up, people call it a night. Very frustrating because you know that if the map had been just about anyting else but one of the least popular ones, they would probably stay if they were having fun.

And that is on the more popular of the two servers.

Some maps just play better certain ways, or deliver the experience people are looking for in one mode vs. another.

I think there is good reason that you won't find shit loads of constantly populated servers playing alot of these mixed mode maps in conquest mode. I know some are out there, but most of the ones I always see fully populated and rocking along have cut maps from the rotation to keep the population steady.

Remember, this is just is what my ideal situation would be. People able to choose, and with the best map list selected for each mode, not a blanket policy of forcing each mode to play every map its capable of.

groans on tampa? If that was true...why was it voted onto the top5 server?

by far, tampa is one of my favorite maps, both in titan and assault lines mode. Mad Maxing, front line holding....it's like verdun on conquest....an all out war.

if you've got people telling you on the mic that they're going to break for dinner, or cry about tampa...then that tells me you have people in your squad who are here for the pwnage, and would rather play 24/7 cerbere or gibraltar than anything else.

........you're a 5th right?

exactly.

Originally Posted by IceFrezz

I believe both servers mixed modes might even make Priming easy er...

Biggest problem I see is priming.... If both servers where the same with mixed modes then players would not jump ship and have an abandon server which is what has been happening. Actually we should maybe think of back to a single server to increase our Reservist slot requests... Just a thought...

true. If we simply "clone" the servers, then there is an increased burden on priming since both servers offer the same incentives to join. We've shown the Top5 format is successful, as well as the current conquest/titan format.

What's not going to work is a striaght up clone, which we proved during the days of DoDS's double servers, and CSS's initial secondary server.

so.......change is good...but the changes have to make sense.

TTP will never, ever, cater to those who wish to take a step back in gaming, and play the same old game they've been playing since 1997. open the door, strafe left and right, jump, shoot, duck, turn, run, repeat. TTP will never be that. We haven't made it this far to become that, and since day 1 we've been slapping "that" kind of gamer in the face, telling them to wake up or ship out.

In the BF uuniverse, such regressions are to play in "infantry only" modes, essentially turning the best online war game franchise, ever, into a 1997 version of a FPS shooter....to cater to people's laziness, people's unwillingness to grow as gamers, or peoples bad habits in gaming (i.e. being addicted to camping, awping, pistol switching, J10 whoring, AK twitching, or dolphin diving).

So.....TTP obviously takes an proactive stance, in adminship, to prevent these things. But we also take things like map lists, mode choices, admin settings, and rule structures into consideration, as well, to ensure we maximize the good things about gaming as a team, and keep it challeneging and interesting for such gamers.

if the ground pounding, awp camping, pistol switching, MG whoring, J10 needing, sniper addicted gamers don't like it.....fuck em. We don't need servers full of those kinds of gamers. We need small %'s of all of the above. That's a game. That's a team. And that's fun as shit.