TeamWork clan removed from TTP

**Mr.Jello** · 10-03-06, 04:29 PM

Mjs, for one, who do you think started playing here at the very start of TTP... I mean the VERY start, on all 3 game servers TTP has.
Do you think it was billygoat104?
No, it's the very same people you just blatently insulted with this comment.

When I came to TTP it wasn't because of Bigdog or SJT, it was people like AndrewtheYahoo, DevilDog583, NyQuil, MrStratAttack, and NHBird that did the recruiting.

TTP has 3 games, each game has more than one server; the game list in increasing every chance it gets, and I bet you those games won't have just one server for a particular time, you think it's easy for them to play every damn game every damn day, WHILE holding up a family, WHILE maintaining their everyday REAL job, AND working out server problems?
They aren't going to be here all the time, and one of the reasons is bitchy clan people, like TmWrk, I assure you they'd have alot more time to "Recruit" people on the TTP server if they didn't have people like Strat, or the rest of his clan prancing around all willy nilly starting up huge arguements. (Keep in mind, Texasteamplayers ISN'T a clan server, it's not a RECRUITING server.. it's a fucking TEAMPLAY server, you TEAM is your main focus, NOT your clan; no where in it does it say recruiting is manditory here at TTP, and this is why they're biased towards clans)

No shit if you wear the tag of a banned clan you're going to get banned with it on, it's common sense buddy, if you call that racism, you can call that racism.

Just remember that All but one Sticky on the "On the Battlefield 2 Server" forum came from someone from Teamwork.

What's that prove; Someone took time to type up something?
I do that all the time, I guess that makes me some big shit.

I'll just leave the rest to Sjt, or bigdog, or whoever would like to step up. (Even though it's not really necessary, considering this is a flat out leaving situation)
So this is where my post ends, whatever.
Clans are nothing but trouble.

I plan on using my tags and playing on TTP & I hate no one here infact I like playing with you peeps.

I don't think that will be possible.
Your clan leader made a decision, it's either agree with him, or take a step out, and stick with TTP.

**mjs1973** · 10-03-06, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by digitalmaverick

MJS1973. Do not interpotate this as a threat. But all BF2 admins and other TTP Admins are advised to ban you on site.

For example with the issue regarding stratattack. His you call me, oh wait a second I am at McDonalds hold up dog I need to get my "eat-on" attitude really doesn't fly well.

Oh yea I think it is the most common childish arguement in the world to use other clans/groups who have been banned like PX and others. Which you know nothing about regarding those clans bannings.

Digital, I have never taken anything you have to say as threats. I think your one great guy, actually. The McDonalds thing, can't someone eat? If I didn't expect the phone call I would have probably asked Bigdog if he could hold on a sec while I order something, be a little polite about it. As for the other clans/groups. You may have had your beefs with the originals, but what about the people who just found Px or 9th Inf? Just like me, they have no idea about what went on? Why ban them?

**AndrewTheYahoo** · 10-03-06, 05:00 PM

The hand of fellowship has been extended by bigdog in his first post.

We welcome TmWrk players to continue playing, but this welcome comes with a condition.

As a clan, you must recognize that you represent a unit. You are unified in purpose as well as in name, which is why you wear tags. You want to be identified as a cohesive group.

As a clan, you have to also remember that that image of oneness also carries a burden of responsibility. When one person in your clan starts to act contrary to the attitude or ideals of this server, it is the clan's responsibility to discipline the offender.

If that discipline isn't enforced before admins have to step in, this is where incidents occur.

What happened with several past clans is that one person can ruin it for everyone. TTP does not want that type of player here. They do not want anyone associated with that type of player here too. The reason is simple:
Loyalty.

As a clansmen, your loyalties are to your clan. So when the server has banned a player (for whatever reason...and that reason is not open to debate or speculation by the uninformed), the result is a division; a choice.

You have to decide where your loyalties lie. Noone will think less of you, regardless of your choice. In fact, for the most part, those who've left this server, we wish them well, because they're doing what makes them happy.

When you are forced with the choice between your clan and the server, you have to make a decision. When there is conflict, and one clansmen spoils it for the rest of his clan, it forces the clan to make the choice, not the server.

Now, mjs, pharacon, kombatForce...we know you all. We enjoy playing with you. But do not think you can walk in two worlds. We have nothing against your gamesmanship or your character. But TTP has taken issue with the leadership of your clan.

It is for that reason, and that reason ALONE, that the two (clan and server) are mutual exclusive in time of conflict. You cannot wear banned tags in this server and expect to play. Not because you're different with or without the tags, but because we don't want this server to have any association with ideals that are not our own.

In other words:
We really hope you stay. We will understand if you leave. The choice is yours to make. But you can't flaunt the tags of the unwelcome in this server and expect to play here. It just isn't done.

That being said, this is not the time nor place to discuss why the ban is in effect. It is not up for debate in this forum, nor likely in any forum. That issue is strictly between the banned (namely Nyquil or Strat or whoever) and the admins. For that reason, you, (those who are not directly involved in the ban,) are still welcome. But please do not take part in heated discussions of what is just or right. Admins do not make rash decisions. Nor do they act alone. No ban is ever the result of one person or persons. Past banned clan members have found themselves unwelcome by trying to appeal decisions that were made.

There is no room for debate in this. The decision has been made.

As I said before...now the only comments that should be made are the ones that revolve around choice. It is your time to choose where you stand.

Clans will always come and go, as they have before and will continue to do, but the ideals that TTP promotes will stand. We hope you will join us.

"Ars Longa, Vita Brevis"

--Yahoo

**sjt17** · 10-03-06, 06:34 PM

EXACTLY

Yahoo, Moo, Jello, Digital - It's like I dont even have to post.....

**digital** · 10-03-06, 06:44 PM

MJS1973, we do not have to explain why we banned Phalanx or 9th Inf. But check out the banned forums. Theres plenty info there.

***COMMANDER*** · 10-03-06, 06:49 PM

dang if they didn't,,,,,that pretty much covers it.....

**mjs1973** · 10-03-06, 07:23 PM

SJT & Bigdog thanks for answering questions that I had once asked you guys, nothing recent. Andrew thanks for the kind words. NHBird you fall in the same line as Andrew and DevilDog, excellent leaders. Jello, I guess I didn't make myself a little more clear about Bigdog and SJT, I didn't mean that they don't do anything, I just meant that I have not played with them and it would have been nice to see the CEO's more often. Also, they aren't the only ones that have other things away from TTP. My life revolves around my son and my family which, I am not sad to say, comes first. Thanks for letting us play here. Admins keep up the good job.

**rock_lobster** · 10-03-06, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by mjs1973

It is unfortunate that things went the way they did. As for the TmWrk_ tag, I will continue to wear it. I have a lot of respect for my clan mates just as Bigdog has for his admins. I think the one thing that this place is missing is structure. Bigdog you said that you and SJT have to abide by the same rules as everyone else but I fail to see the reasoning behind it. A good company is only as good as its CEO and you and SJT should be the CEOs of the server. If you two had the same outlook, I believe that TTP could turn into Teamplayers with TTP being the first entity. Move from state to state NMTP, AZTP, OKTP, and so on and so forth. When I came to TTP it wasn't because of Bigdog or SJT, it was people like AndrewtheYahoo, DevilDog583, NyQuil, MrStratAttack, and NHBird that did the recruiting. I don't know if Bigdog and SJT run under different names on BF2 but I only saw Bigdog once and SJT about four times. I have respect for you guys because of the people I named, and probably alot more that I didn't name, took the time to make people feel welcome to the server. It is a whole different ballgame when it comes to the forums. Bigdog, you said in the beginning of the "Bigdog on Trial" post that everyone is immune from punishment, yet you said you banned NyQuil for his views. He stated his opinion and he defended it. Just as you asked.

Racism: hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

In this situation Clans. The way you treat members of Px or TmWrk is a form of racism. Your words exactly: "Anyone wearing a teamwork tag on the BF2 server will be banned" yet if we take our tag off we can play here. Px members are to be banned on site also, not to mention 9th Infantry. I don't see anywhere in the rules that we can't wear our tags. Just remember that All but one Sticky on the "On the Battlefield 2 Server" forum came from someone from Teamwork.

Thank you Yahoo for teaching me the ropes, your a good man Charlie Brown.

Here are my stats: http://www.bf2s.com/player/73194461/ Do what you have to do.

Well considering they both have busy lives outside the server, they get a lot done here. They both check the forums helping out each and every person, whether their problem be big or trivial. Also, there is more than just one game (BF2) in this community. BD and SJT have to deal with their families, this forum, and find time to come in and play/manage 3 different games. That's the problem with a lot of players that come here, they think that the game they play is the only one that exists or matters. Px ONLY played Dod. Teamwork (to my knowledge) ONLY played BF2. I myself play Dod and CS a ton and will be playing BF2, just bought it today. I think they do a good job running all that and finding time for themselves.