My views on being commander...

**triggerhappy2005** · 05-02-09, 09:37 AM

As some of you might know, there were some recent incidents concerning an admin playing as commander. I was one of the players kicked for not following orders. I do admit I 'missed' one of the objectives due to the fact I was caught up in the action. I've played this game since it's inception and have developed some clear insights on what it takes to win. In short, winning is based on playing as a team. Those of you who have squadded with me know how intense I am about winning and thus playing your part in helping the team reach it's objective.

I also have much experience as a commander. My previous acct. (triggerhappy2005) I acquired the War College Ribbon and multiple Meritorious Service medals. I say this not to toot my horn but to show that I understand what it takes to be a successful commander. As a commander your job is to assist the squad leaders in obtaining their objectives. In some cases that requires giving them objectives andin others giving those that know what they are doing the freedom to decide what the next move is. This is my philosophy when I command. I don't try to micromanage. I only manage those who can't manage themselves.

A perfect example was when we played FullContactWar a few months ago. The first match was a disaster b/c our commander just smothered everyone with objectives and orders. There was no reacting to situations or flexibility and we we're always two steps behind the other team. The next time we played it was different. The commander simply assisted us and we won. That was playing smart. I understand the commander supercedes all others but that doesn't mean it's right to dominate others. In the context of winning, sometimes it's best for the General to drink his wine and let the Captains do their job.

Finally, I will, in the future, follow every order regardless if it helps the team or not.

**DJ Ms. White** · 05-02-09, 09:52 AM

If it doesn't help the team, speak up and say why. To be quite honest, if the commander is just giving orders to give orders and doing so to the detriment of his or her own team, then that person is not a teamplayer.

**triggerhappy2005** · 05-02-09, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

To be quite honest, if the commander is just giving orders to give orders and doing so to the detriment of his or her own team, then that person is not a teamplayer.

That was my point. And when said commander is also an admin it compounds the problem.

**badprimer1** · 05-02-09, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

If it doesn't help the team, speak up and say why. To be quite honest, if the commander is just giving orders to give orders and doing so to the detriment of his or her own team, then that person is not a teamplayer.

I don't agree with this statement. How do you determine when a commander is just giving orders to give orders? Many people who command are still learning. Bad orders given does not equate to a non-teamplayer.

Obviously this thread is a continuation of the admin abuse thread. Not sure why it is posted here.

**Ranger10** · 05-02-09, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

If it doesn't help the team, speak up and say why. To be quite honest, if the commander is just giving orders to give orders and doing so to the detriment of his or her own team, then that person is not a teamplayer.

Well, we've always said the commander's orders need to be followed as closely to the letter as possible. That's the first line of "teamplay". However, and this is especially evident to guys that have been playing this game for a long time, some commanders are still relatively new to the CMDR seat. This means they don't anticipate or manage the same way as veterans normally would. And because of it, the team loses rounds. Nobody likes losing, especially when they have someone they can point to and easily blame.

But before we start blaming the CMDR, we as veterans of BF2, and resident teamplayers on TTP need to also acknowledge that new players need the room to make mistakes. They need to lose round after round and take the blame for their poor orders so when those with experience speak up and give some insight, they know they should listen. Because in this case, when an admin steps in, we don't have to adjust our playstyle to suit someone with a ban key at their disposal.

I know what you guys are saying, I really do. And it's frustrating as hell that some new CMDR, or even a CMDR with little knowledge of HOW to play that position, gets in and starts barking irrelevant orders. But open lines of communication (even if the CMDR can't talk back), at least lets them know you are attempting to carry out the order, or have run into some difficulty in doing it. I normally tell CMDR that want me to trek across the map that my squad and I can be more effective if _________. I normally get the answer I'm looking for.

But in the end, we all started out not knowing what to do. And those of us who have played this game for half a decade have refined our game to the point where we could almost play it blind. But not everyone has. And on TTP, being a teamplayer also means we help out our team even when we know their wrong. Of course, once it's all said and done, a nice little post about why we lost and how to do it better would be most appropriate here in the forums.

**triggerhappy2005** · 05-02-09, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by badprimer1

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

If it doesn't help the team, speak up and say why. To be quite honest, if the commander is just giving orders to give orders and doing so to the detriment of his or her own team, then that person is not a teamplayer.

I don't agree with this statement. How do you determine when a commander is just giving orders to give orders? Many people who command are still learning. Bad orders given does not equate to a non-teamplayer.

Obviously this thread is a continuation of the admin abuse thread. Not sure why it is posted here.

I'm not filing a complaint. I'm just sharing my views on being commander.

**Nuckle** · 05-02-09, 10:16 AM

Then it should be in the BF2 area.

Moved

**Ranger10** · 05-02-09, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by badprimer1

Obviously this thread is a continuation of the admin abuse thread. Not sure why it is posted here.

Nah... this thread is from one veteran BF2, TTPer to everyone out there. We tell our ground pounders, pilots and SL's they need to be better, the CMDR seat is no different.

Trust me guys, when Trigger chooses to speak about how to play BF2, everyone needs to 'write that down'. He's not the best SL TTP has ever seen for no reason.

**w4jchosen** · 05-02-09, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by badprimer1

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

If it doesn't help the team, speak up and say why. To be quite honest, if the commander is just giving orders to give orders and doing so to the detriment of his or her own team, then that person is not a teamplayer.

I don't agree with this statement. How do you determine when a commander is just giving orders to give orders? Many people who command are still learning. Bad orders given does not equate to a non-teamplayer.

Obviously this thread is a continuation of the admin abuse thread. Not sure why it is posted here.

And the admin that was commanding was not some "noob" commander that didn't have a clue as to what they were doing. What I find amazing is that what looks to be "4" of some of better teamplayers were all kicked (well one banned) for not following orders. Who does the reflect more poorly on? That one commander who happened to be an admin or the "4" long time, loads of experience players that know what TTP is all about and what we will and will not tolerate?

Each one of you are regulars to our server and normally demonstrate the kind of leadership that everyone looks up to. Keep it that way.

**DJ Ms. White** · 05-02-09, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by badprimer1

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

If it doesn't help the team, speak up and say why. To be quite honest, if the commander is just giving orders to give orders and doing so to the detriment of his or her own team, then that person is not a teamplayer.

I don't agree with this statement. How do you determine when a commander is just giving orders to give orders? Many people who command are still learning. Bad orders given does not equate to a non-teamplayer.

Obviously this thread is a continuation of the admin abuse thread. Not sure why it is posted here.

You communicate that's how. Explaining your situation to the commander should either elicit a "alright, deal with your current situation" or a "I need you to still go for the new objective because of x". Even if the commander doesn't have a mic, he still has chat.

If a player is just new, communicating with him or her will identify that. From there, you can help your commander by advising him. New guys are suprisingly open to friendly help.