Base Rape.

**Ranger10** · 07-02-09, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

I would also like 40km maps that would be a little less arcade than being able to strafe and enemy airbase within 45sec of takeoff but that isn't the game we have.

So you admit there are inherent limitations in the way the game was designed. Yet you seem to think these can be disregarded if the server puts rules in place, then essentially staff's someone full time to make sure they are enforced? Are you going to be that person?

I can appreciate the difference between stating an opinion and being the voice of change. From my point of view (and apparently many others) your comments seemed to be bent on being the catalyst for change, not something as simple as "I don't like base rape". This is the reason your argument was debated so heavily by so many.

The simple fact is, you're wanting to play a more realistic game than the vanilla version of BF2 where rules like no base rape are put in place across hundreds of servers. In PR, it's totally different.

So what's it gonna be? A realistic game where the enemy isn't going to let you rest on your laurels in the confines of your comfy base, or an admittedly arcade like game where AA doesn't kill jets, several shots from a rifle are needed to kill someone, and a competent helo crew can lock down any map at any time?

No game is perfect. The sooner you wrap your head around that concept, the sooner you can get to enjoying what it does do right instead of pointing out every little flaw.

**...bigdog...** · 07-02-09, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

Simply, no.
I play for fun and if I am not having fun I will leave.
I do not think that is an unusual or rare attitude.

Then TTP is not for you. The "fun" is a relative term, and if your definition of fun means that the enemy has to pull their punches, let you get up, and go easy on you, then go have fun somewhere else. It's not an unusual or rare attitude. We ban people with attitudes like that all the time. People that say they aren't having fun if they have to do what the commander tells them to do. people that say they aren't having fun if they can't listen to music while they play, ignoring the comm chatter and orders. people that say they aren't having fun if they have to squad up, or defend a flag, or DEFEND A SPAWN FROM BEING RAPED.

You've got some thinking to do. And when you're done, and you come crawling back, know that TTP doesn't blame you for thinking with the crowd, and following the leader in terms of making up rules and playing in your own world.

But that doesn't mean we cater to such players, or even encourage their existence.

**...bigdog...** · 07-02-09, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

They say never judge a man until you have walked a mile in his ( or her ) shoes, so I will be doing a lot of walking this weekend to get to your main base and destroy your assets on the ground, all in the interests of empathy and understanding.

and every legitimate teamplayer here says, you come on and bring it. Now you're playing the game.

**DancingCorpse** · 07-02-09, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

OK

They say never judge a man until you have walked a mile in his ( or her ) shoes, so I will be doing a lot of walking this weekend to get to your main base and destroy your assets on the ground, all in the interests of empathy and understanding.

:4 at an airbase near you
Act Now!
Supplies are limited !

But I have to say the notion that since you can get to my main before I cap every other flag on the map is proof that I am somehow an incompetent player or somehow deserving of "punishment" is a sophomoric, self serving statement that has the acrid stench of vanilla all over it.

I would also include the notion that unless I want to spawn and die so baserapers can have continuous targets, I should never play on the server to be a supremely childish attitude.

Bring it.

**CallousDisregard** · 07-02-09, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ranger10

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

I would also like 40km maps that would be a little less arcade than being able to strafe and enemy airbase within 45sec of takeoff but that isn't the game we have.

So you admit there are inherent limitations in the way the game was designed. Yet you seem to think these can be disregarded if the server puts rules in place, then essentially staff's someone full time to make sure they are enforced? Are you going to be that person?

I can appreciate the difference between stating an opinion and being the voice of change. From my point of view (and apparently many others) your comments seemed to be bent on being the catalyst for change, not something as simple as "I don't like base rape". This is the reason your argument was debated so heavily by so many.

The simple fact is, you're wanting to play a more realistic game than the vanilla version of BF2 where rules like no base rape are put in place across hundreds of servers. In PR, it's totally different.

So what's it gonna be? A realistic game where the enemy isn't going to let you rest on your laurels in the confines of your comfy base, or an admittedly arcade like game where AA doesn't kill jets, several shots from a rifle are needed to kill someone, and a competent helo crew can lock down any map at any time?

No game is perfect. The sooner you wrap your head around that concept, the sooner you can get to enjoying what it does do right instead of pointing out every little flaw.

I have been playing PRMM for a few minutes and I am well aware of the limitations.

Can you point out where I said you should change the policy ?

Or where I made the standard threat " Do it my way or I'm not playing on your server ever again " ?

No.

Can you show me where I am pointing out every little flaw ?

Or can you get your mind around the words that are actually there and respond to what is written rather than what you think I seem to mean.

To sum up what I have heard here is; if you don't like base rape it is because you are a childish, incompetent and stupid cry baby and if you leave when being base raped you should never return.

I'm not sure but I think I was threatened with a ban as well.

I have fun playing just about every role in this game, from endless digging to sitting in a AA missle for 19+ min waiting for the Cobra to respawn. But base rape is not fun to me and I don't think it is fun to the majority of players although I have no data on that.
If you feel you have to ban me because I don't like base rape ....well not much I can do about that now.

I have a feeling that base rape sounds good, but when it is a continuous process the "fun" of defending your base constantly will quickly fade.
But I need hard data so ........

Baseraping is NOT a realistic tactic despite all the rhetoric.
It is very arcade and only possible because of the game limitations.
The simple fact is that most people don't play that way so it is far less likely that the average player is going to even think about base defense. At least until the first time he is raped and finds out it is legal.

I was told that AONO doesn't base rape.
Do all of the above criticisms apply to them as well ?
And also to all the players on all the other servers that do not allow base rape ?

**Ranger10** · 07-02-09, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

Can you point out where I said you should change the policy ?

Well, lets see, when someone says this...

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

It is a cheese-eaters tactic and when done at the start of the round ( about 7min from MEC main to US main in a tank ) it ruins the game.

... to me, it appears as if you are voicing your displeasure with TTP doctrine. What are we supposed to infer from this other than you don't think it should in the game? You obviously felt strongly enough about it to write several posts explaining yourself concerning this topic. So are you just commenting to "hear" yourself talk, or are you actually wanting the policy to change?

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

Or where I made the standard threat " Do it my way or I'm not playing on your server ever again " ?

This is an easy one. You plainly said...

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

I play for fun and if I am not having fun I will leave. I do not think that is an unusual or rare attitude.

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

I have better games without baserapers and I will keep to the policy of leaving the server when the base is being raped.

Now... tell me again how these two comments do not mean, "Do it my way, or I don't play on your server ever again"? So are we to believe the moment you begin getting baseraped is the moment you leave your team and go play paddy-cake on some server that bans people for baseraping? How is that teamplay? Why would a server, which predicates itself on teamplay, encourage that kind of attitude from people?

I could go on picking your post apart for inconsistencies and quoting you, but I'd rather you simply admit you stepped up and got neck deep in a philosophical difference TTP has with 99% of servers out there. If that's not good enough for you, then as I've said before... stay gone. We don't need you.

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

Or can you get your mind around the words that are actually there and respond to what is written rather than what you think I seem to mean.

I love this statement. It means you can't adequately explain what your point is, so no matter what someone infers, they must be wrong.

So let's see if I can't be more clear.

Give me one good reason why I shouldn't ban you for abandoning your team when they need you most because you don't like a policy we've had in place for years?

Because it's just a game? Because you have the choice to play how you want? Because you paid your money?

Sorry. Wrong. Try again.

It's a game people take seriously enough to make sure the only people that play here are the ones that wish to experience a teamplay environment that no other server enforces. Not people who bail like rats the moment the game isn't "fun" anymore.

And yes, you have a choice... and that choice is whether you play here or somewhere else. The moment you step foot onto TTP, you lose your right to choose. You play our way, or you play somewhere else. Period.

You've heard of the Golden Rule right? "Those who have the gold make the rules." You don't like baserape? Then go drop some coin and start your own PR server. Then you can make up whatever rules you want and be all mean, narrow minded and uncompromising in your forums you pay hundreds of dollars a month for.

Originally Posted by CallousDisregard

I'm not sure but I think I was threatened with a ban as well.

That's not a threat... that's a promise. Fail to be a teamplayer, and you will be banned. Simple enough?

Am I in any way unclear?

**TheJeep1** · 07-02-09, 05:09 PM

Base raping is fun and is a superior tactic......I love base raping. I will go to your base, kill your pilots, keep their jets and helo out of play. I will cause 1-2 squads to come back to a uncap just to get rid of me...I will bleed you dry of your man power out in the battlefield and cause your commander to cry......I am base raper hear me roar.

Oh dammm....this is PR...I know nothing about PR base raping.

**Ranger10** · 07-02-09, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by TheJeep1

Base raping is fun and is a superior tactic......I love base raping. I will go to your base, kill your pilots, keep their jets and helo out of play. I will cause 1-2 squads to come back to a uncap just to get rid of me...I will bleed you dry of your man power out in the battlefield and cause your commander to cry......I am base raper hear me roar.

Oh dammm....this is PR...I know nothing about PR base raping.

I know. I'm usually the one cursing the heavens because of it. And I've never had more fun hating a tactic when this happens.

Of course, I usually own a jacket made of "Jeepskin" before it's all said and done.