Thread: Question about kicks vs res slots

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I am not going to get in the argument of whether he is right or wrong, but he is not saying only 4 admins/reservists can join. What he is saying is if there are 60 players on, and a reservist/admin joins thus making 61, the server itself will not kick a non-reservist to get back to 60. It will simply wait for a player, or players, to be kicked for some other reason, or disconnect. Eventually you could get to 64 reservists on the server, but in his theory if you had 60 non-reservists, then one reservist joined, and no players ever left it would stay at 61 forever. Once again not saying he is right, just trying to better explain his theory.

wrong. the server kicks then, and the message is that they got disconnected.

I'm not talking theory. I'm talking about how it works. The server stays flat at 60/64, except in the few seconds here and there where someone is loading in. When they're in, boom a non-reservist is KICKED.

Never......EVER....are there more than 60 people playing the game. Never. Ever ever ever. Go read about slots on CC. IF you want, we can set it to 32 reserved slots, and you can see how it stays at 32. Have 10 reservists connect....get in game, and watch 10 "miraculous" disconnects all happen at once.

The kick message IS "disconnected".

I am not disagreeing with you, just clarifying his point.

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Eventually you could get to 64 reservists on the server

no, you can't.

Ever. Feel free to try. Get 4 reservists, wait for the server to be 60/64, all connect at once, get in game, and show me a 32vs32 LIVE player screen. Not possible. 4 people will be kicked once you guys actually finish loading and aren't idle. 100% positive. Not a theory.

But....feel free to try. Draco said he was going to set up the match server and try. So go try. 12 slots, 6 reservists, 12 of you connect, and tell me how many can stay in the game.

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I am not disagreeing with you, just clarifying his point.

his point, and yours, and wilecyte's, is that whne the server is 60/64, and 4 reservists are in that 60, no one else can connect.

and that is 100% false. Why you guys started believing that....makes no sense.

His point, and yours, if that if someone joins, the server "waits" for people to lock up, or crash, or disconnect willingly, and has no power to kick non-reservists to keep the player count at 60. That is also 100% false. As proven by the active player count NEVER going above 60, and by the total connected players rarely touching 61 or 62 (while people are connecting) and NEVER holding at those numbers, most especially not at 64.

If we can hold 60/60 for minutes/hours at a time, we could hold 64/64. We don't, because the server is kicking people back down to the 60 level.

Look dude, I never said that, never typed that, and never even thought that. Draco isn't saying that either. All he is saying, and I could care less whether he is right or wrong at this point to be honest, is that the server does not kick people, but waits for them to disconnect. I am sure he will test it at some point, and whomever is right can get some championship belt or some crap, but I bet $100 that I know, as well as the other 2 you mention, that there can be more than 4 reservists on the server seeing as how there are often double digit admins on at a time, not even counting reservists.

good. so we're all in agreement that more than 4 reservists can get on the server.

now....since no one feels like accepting the publicly available proof that it's NOT POSSIBLE to have more than 60 people playing at once, nor the solid evidence showing that a few connections here or there aside, the server popualtion sits flat at 60 for hours on end, and NEVER goes above 61 or 62 (when people are connecting over and over)....

all that's left is to join up 4 or so reservists at once, and get in game. SURELY.....4 people won't all of a sudden lock up and crash at that moment, and you should be able to get in the game, pushing the PLAYER COUNT (not connected count) above 60.

Of course....it won't happen. And over and over....4 people will simply magicaly "disconnect from the server" at that moment. Over and over. Forever.

That "disconnected from the server" happens to NON-RESERVISTS 10:1 over reservists for a reason.

And you may well be right, but to be honest I don't care. I know that when I pay my $5 bucks I get in no matter what. If someone else gets kicked then too bad for them. If someone just happens to disconnect then good for them.

I care. telling reservists that "only the first 4 can get in" means we are taking their money for nothing.

and that's not true. Especially in BF2. In 2142....technically, only the first 24 can get in. EA's ranked rules prevent the server having reserved space for more than 50% of the server's max player count. BF2's rules and CC do not function this way.

BOTH, however, allow reservists to connect to a "full" server and kick nonreservists after they do so.

And nobody EVER said only 4 admins/reservists can connect. Show me one post that says that, just one, from anyone.

I'm not saying ONLY 4 reservists could connect... What I was saying was that when the server was full, 4 could connect until slots were freed up. My understanding of BF2 was that it didn't force disconnects, but rather waited for attrition to kick in.