Thread: Gunman +TCF+ Retired until 2010

My guide: Set it on fire and run away!

I hadn't considered the possibility of the height difference tying into the equation. Very good point.

Also, Reaper, mind posting the link to that thread? Since you already have an idea of which one it is, it'll save everyone the time that going through eleven pages of threads would take to find it.

Anyhow, I have a bit of time. I'll conduct a few experiments of my own.

Edit: Twenty two pages.

I get the impression the AI has fun that isn't always obvious nor calculable, depending on situational occurances possibly. Kaizoku, what is it.. it does have a headhit box or doesn't have a head hit box? I'm just going to assume your talking about whether or not it adds on the additional damage.

This subject has been covered on so many different forums since the demo was released, typically starting of with "I read this .. blah blah blah.. on another forum". At one point it was stated that the Tank runs side ways and angled back to protect it's head (yes it does do this, much more so when not Player controlled and subject to the whims of the Director - potentially including its health). The *real* factoid is, that everyone who plays is going to do what works for them in the heat of the moment and for thousand of people thats aiming at the head (whether right or wrong), and whatever is going on for all those people *not* sitting around in controlled conditions - we know what gets the job done and that's what this thread is about.

Molotov's, Pump action shotguns, running Tanks in circles, GOOD teamwork, avoiding movable obstacles (cars, pillars etc) and knowing that when it comes down to a Tank, a Witch, a Hunter or even sometimes a Smoker. A Tank can be out ran, the rest can't - so pay attention and pick your targets wisely.

Okay. I just came from single player, where I ran several trials. The scenario was NM, expert. With God Mode on, I spawned a tank, and first shot him with my pistol in the leg while he laid the smackdown on Francis in the corner of the rooftop. I only took one shot, and let the rest dispose of the tank. From there, I ran to the safe room, and checked the damage done to the tank. A shot to the leg did thirty three damage.

Next, I naturally repeated the process, only this time aiming for the head while he barreled towards me. I'm pretty sure I tagged him in the face, though considering that he was moving so quickly, there's a possibility that I missed. Nevertheless, at the end of the scenario, the damage counter displayed thirty four damage. I repeated both processes two more times, and got the exact same results.

From there, I tested the damage with a shotgun. First, I shot him point-blank in the back. Next, point blank in the face; lather, rinse, repeat. The back shots did two hundred and thirty. The face shots did two hundred and forty. Regardless of whether I hit him directly in the face or not with either weapon, the differences in damage period indicates that different parts of the tank's body take different amounts of damage. Now, of course one might say that, with the shotgun, a pellet or two might have strayed, somehow, even at point blank, and after three total trials. It's a possibility, sure, but not a plausible one, considering that the damage taken from a single pistol round on different parts of the body varied.

Kaizoku. Assuming that your findings are both accurate and genuine, I have a theory that may explain both of our findings. What you tested was a tank in versus. What I tested was a tank in campaign. Now, if they found it necessary to alter and lock difficulties in versus, would it be too big of a leap to say that, maybe, they made the hit box on the tank in versus singular?

Also, if anyone doubts my findings, I can provide screens upon request. But, considering that testing this takes all of ten minutes max (and that's if you're thorough), I'd recommend gathering your own data and posting the results, simply for the possible variation.

And, P1nk. While I understand what you mean in terms of players acting in the heat of the moment, that in no way eliminates the possible use of the knowledge that testing things like this can create. People do indeed use what works for them--and if it is concluded that head shots do more damage, or they don't, that adds or eliminates one more possibility while fighting a tank, even in the heat of the moment. There are situations where players may not have too much choice on the matter in terms of aiming. However, there are the situations where they do have choice, and that choice may make a world of difference.

Oh. Side note. During my runs, I noticed something that may or may not have been mentioned, or may or may not even be right (I may have been imagining things). On my way to the safe room in Act One of NM, I leaped into the fray of zombies that were on the stairs leading down there, intending to run along their heads--and sank into the crowd, the infected I landed on effectively killed. This may have been from jumping atop of them, or it may have been from fire via AI partners, though I'm decently sure that they weren't even around the corner yet. I'll play with that a bit more.