Ball being drop on having a balance game

**Guyver** · 02-25-12, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by Mr_Rager

and your lack of interest in the original topic is off putting.

So, it's everyone elses' fault that you only posted two screenshots in your original topic? It's also our fault that you didn't care enough to bring up all those other screenshots ..until now? Ok....

My "lack of interest" came from the fact that you were claiming grossly unbalanced teams...in multiple instances...based on TWO screenshots of the SAME game.

**taog** · 02-25-12, 04:12 AM

This sounds a bit harsh, but the screen shots are very hard to determine if help was actually needed.

I've been on maps while losing with other very talented players, and most of us would agree why we were, just playing poorly and that there was no balancing needed. Some times we just lose. Player names on the screen shots honestly don't matter,.. but some of those screen shots do show that maybe some help was needed. I believe Rager to be an honest guy and a straight forward person. At least he is ingame. But, I've seen games that toss people back and forward and still lose a map. The admins tend to do a good job with the issue, and of course some maps get out of hand. The way I see it.. It is still working out for everyone. As long as there is team players on both teams, we can still get hard losses. The one thing that might bother me more than anything, is if an admin trys to hard to balance the teams. This has been a very rare occasion where it didn't matter.. a side still lost or was owned. I think over all, people have been doing their jobs.

**Morbx Core** · 02-25-12, 11:19 AM

I have lots of fun in TPG servers and I do fully believe a team that works well together shouldn`t be punished .If players can select what team they want to play on then there will always be players that think teams are unfairor stacked.

The idea of stacking teams and unfair teams will always remain if players can select which team they want to play on but that means little when winning,competition and stats means more than teamwork.

Play the best you can on whatever team your put on and if you tried your best to help and respect other teammates than thats a win in my book.

Stats ,Competitiveness and Wins are sure points of focus for some but the main Focus is TEAMWORK and that means the most.

A good teamplayer stands with his team thru thick or thin .

To sum it up it does not matter if you feel the teams are stacked or unfair all that matters is the ability to work and respect the team you are on thru good times and bad.

Score is just a illusion of defining the teams performance because sometimes the best team can lose the match.

**Adretheon** · 02-25-12, 11:53 AM

There's a difference between a stacked team, and a team that just needs to get its shit together. I've been on plenty of teams where we lost because people were playing stupid spots or weren't splitting right, or just plain weren't trying as hard as they could be. Someone needs to step up and be effective over mic, and if there's not someone there, tell the admin that you need someone. They can't see 20/20 on both sides of the map...it's not possible.

Rager...you posted only 2 SS of the same map...That's hardly enough to go by. Magus, same thing. That's only 2 SS of the same game, not really a lot to go by.

As to the 15 other SS's, I counter with this

TeamPlayer Gaming - Teams

50-50 on team wins through out every map, every day. Based on kills. That seems pretty even to me.

Also, with these stats...

TeamPlayer Gaming - Maps

Just about every map is 50-50 or 40-60. Based on win ratio. Again pretty even, aside for the handful of sided maps there are that shifts it. And to prove that point, your on the losing side about 50% of those screen shots you posted. Also, 6 SS are close and 8 aren't. That's 40-60. In other words, for every 15-14 game, theres bound to be a 15-5 or lower one as well.

Look, not every game can be 14-15. Not every game can be 15-10, or any other combination of scores. Admins do what they can. If something needs to be fixed, then, like I said, say something in game to the admin. Odds are, if admins don't hear anyone complaining, then nothing will get done. Cause if people seem happy, then they probably are.

**CivilWars** · 02-25-12, 12:05 PM

Even though I am not in any of the screens you provided I will admit that I have been on the losing end of some ass whippings lately too. Sometimes it is due to new players being on, and not having a clue. Many times the admins are working to determine if those players are trying, but just not good, or doing their own thing. Sometimes that takes a few rounds to figure out. Also, I have been on teams where we had the talent to win, but just didn't. I was on a team yesterday that we all agreed we had enough talent, we just either got unlucky, or couldn't get things going early. With no changes to players we made a pretty good comeback.

While I am not saying that the admins did the right thing every map you played sometimes there are other things besides skill alone that affect the score.

**~~Mr_Rager~~** · 02-25-12, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Guyver

So, it's everyone elses' fault that you only posted two screenshots in your original topic? It's also our fault that you didn't care enough to bring up all those other screenshots ..until now? Ok....

My "lack of interest" came from the fact that you were claiming grossly unbalanced teams...in multiple instances...based on TWO screenshots of the SAME game.

I stated in the original thread NUMEROUS times and I've stated it in this thread a number of times - my original point was to show teams have been unbalanced and lopsided scores were happening. The end. That was my point. I've stated I wasn't going to be an errand boy and go and get mass amounts of "evidence" and give round by round synopsis of every map the way Adretheon wanted.

I was trying to improve the community in which I am a member in by having more competitive games. I posted a thread saying the competition is one sided lately as a "heads-up" thread with 2 screens. Why the fuck would I need a mountain of evidence to have the leaders of this community take me at my word? Goat posted that I come across as honest and straight forward and even if you knew nothing about me at all; why would you still require mass amounts of evidence and round by round summaries of every map following and previous to the event to determine if there is actually a problem? What do the mods/admins lose by looking into the games a bit more or try to switch players around a bit more frequently? There isn't a single negative action or outcome by looking into an issue with little evidence; literally nothing at all to lose. You pretty much stated that my post and 2 screens weren't worth the time for you and others to take to improve the community if you meant it that way or not.

Your lack of interest had nothing to do with the amount of evidence provided, it came wit the fact that you were either lazy or unwilling to look into the issue (an issue that literally has no cons of looking into and would improve the community).

**~~Mr_Rager~~** · 02-25-12, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Adretheon

There's a difference between a stacked team, and a team that just needs to get its shit together. I've been on plenty of teams where we lost because people were playing stupid spots or weren't splitting right, or just plain weren't trying as hard as they could be. Someone needs to step up and be effective over mic, and if there's not someone there, tell the admin that you need someone. They can't see 20/20 on both sides of the map...it's not possible.

Rager...you posted only 2 SS of the same map...That's hardly enough to go by. Magus, same thing. That's only 2 SS of the same game, not really a lot to go by.

As to the 15 other SS's, I counter with this

TeamPlayer Gaming - Teams

50-50 on team wins through out every map, every day. Based on kills. That seems pretty even to me.

Also, with these stats...

TeamPlayer Gaming - Maps

Just about every map is 50-50 or 40-60. Based on win ratio. Again pretty even, aside for the handful of sided maps there are that shifts it. And to prove that point, your on the losing side about 50% of those screen shots you posted. Also, 6 SS are close and 8 aren't. That's 40-60. In other words, for every 15-14 game, theres bound to be a 15-5 or lower one as well.

Look, not every game can be 14-15. Not every game can be 15-10, or any other combination of scores. Admins do what they can. If something needs to be fixed, then, like I said, say something in game to the admin. Odds are, if admins don't hear anyone complaining, then nothing will get done. Cause if people seem happy, then they probably are.

2 things.

Firstly, why does the amount of screenshots posted by regulars of this community matter if the issue is as simple as trying to keep the servers more competitive. You realize that even if we were lying that we gain nothing from an increased admin looking over the games and switching a tad more frequently. You're acting as if we're trying to pull a fast one over TPG with that little "evidence" and frankly it makes no sense. So in your next post please inform us as to why we need 15+ screenshots instead of the 2 we've been posting. Do you think we're lying or trying to pull a fast one over TPG? Do you believe there is no issue and if so what would you lose by trying to fix said nonexistent issue? I honestly want to know as I don't understand why your trying to disprove us instead of taking us at our word tell us you'll look into it and then proceed it to the admin/mod section for discussion - a la the MadMax approach.

Lastly, your whole post, irrelevant. Looking at stats for for maps/teams and saying, looks even to me as you have no other data about those rounds.

example: all de_dust 2

cts 15 t1
t's 15 ct's 2
ct's 15 t's 14
t's 15 ct's 0
t's 15 ct's 3
ct's 15 t's 2
ct's 15 t's 1
t's 15 ct's 13
ct's 15 t's 6
ts 15 ct's 4
ct's 15 t's 2
t's 15 ct's 4

Terrorist go 6-6 over 12 games
C-Terrorist go 6-6 over 12 games

Terrorist won 116 rounds over 12 games
C-Terrorist won 116 rounds over 12 games

# of close games 2 (15-14 and 15-13)

So 5/6 could be a blow out, rape, lopsided, one way battle but when you look at the stats you get the same opinion you've been rocking for the last month - "problem? what problem?"

**~~Mr_Rager~~** · 02-25-12, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Even though I am not in any of the screens you provided I will admit that I have been on the losing end of some ass whippings lately too.

I apologize CivilWars but your post didn't meet the required components to be taken seriously and looked at by our moderation team. Please respond with preferably 2 dozen screen shots as well as a round by round synopsis of every game you participate in.

In the meant time

Originally Posted by Guyver

Sometimes, you just have to take an ass kicking....it sucks, but meh.

**Raush** · 02-25-12, 02:22 PM

Lopsided games happen. Most often it is caused by poor communication (especially on CT side). If your team is doing poorly, encourage people to get on the mic and call out what is happening.

You can always contact the admins in game by typing @ followed by a space and then your message. If you feel that teams need to be adjusted, let the admins know (I know I have in the past).

If you want every game to be 15-14 by having the admins trade players after every round you are being unrealistic. There is no sense of being on a team or feeling of accomplishment when players are traded often. Work together, call out important information on the mic, make calls on T side or instruct people where to go on CT side.

Quite frankly, you are living up to your namesake. Getting all worked up over something that has been going on since the dawn of competition and being disrespectful to everyone who tries to reason with you.

**Adretheon** · 02-25-12, 02:25 PM

Rager, then how about this. You posting here in the forums AFTER THE FACT. Does nothing to help the situation. How does this fix anything? Those matches are over. Should something have been done during those maps? Maybe, but Screenshots of the game doesn't tell us crap. Did anyone ever say anything to the admins about switching? No? Then that's on you or the players in the server. If no one says anything, when something can be done, then nothing will happen.

There's 1000 different reason a team could loose, and about 95% of those reasons aren't blatantly obvious. And a majority of that 95% are things that players need to work on. That's not the admins job. They aren't here to babysit you and make sure that your feelings aren't hurt when you lose a map.

In the 5+ years I've been here, I've never, not once, ever thought there was a balance issue in our servers. If teams were losing its cause players weren't playing an A game, or shit happens and a team just loses out of dumb luck, or teams weren't splitting right, or players are sitting in stupid places...Etc. There's no one thing that can make every game even. There's no trend in this random occurrence of events. No trend, means, no way of getting ahead of it to stop it.

From now on, if there's an issue with the teams, point it out in game. Then something will happen. The Admins can't do anything at all about a few screenshots, and you coming in here saying the smug shit you're saying doesn't help.