Thread: What is baiting? (Read my post fully before commenting please.)

Originally Posted by Sel Gomez

Example of NOT Baiting: A player is rushing with his/her team and is leading the rush when they get spammed with enemy/friendly flash grenades. This player knows the map well enough to menouver out of the way of his/her fellow teammates and does so. (Had he/she rushed in he would have just been dead or atleast blind out of his mind.) After he is able to see his/her screen again, if his team has taken out the site or is still fighting for it he/she rushes in to help the team without hesitation. However, if the team has clearly lost the site, the player would be smart in realizing that rushing in may not be the best option but certainly is one. Another viable options consists of slowly making way into the site and proceeding with their as told to or if this player is the only one alive at the time, making the best attempt to win the round by achieving the objective.

Idk if people consider this baiting, but I consider it being a pussy. Because you don't know how blind your team is. Maybe you blocked the flash for your team and you are the only one blind. You move out of the way, and two teammates getting eaten up by bullets that you should have taken so that they could have gotten the kill. By moving out of the way, you're only looking out for yourself and not the well being of the team.

Originally Posted by Sel Gomez

Well your argument is a good one, however I pose this question. Would you rather have a completely blind person rushing towards enemies or a fully able person rushing towards enemies?

In TPG rushes, it works really well to have the blind people to continue to run in. Two reasons for this; 1) They won't block their non-blind teammates. 2) The enemies defending the site will shoot at the first person, who is in this case blind, which allows the non-blind teammates to fire on the now distracted defenders.

On the rush, it will be 10 attackers against 5 defenders. Just run in. If you lose half the T team but manage to take the site and plant the bomb, the odds are in Ts favor.

Fully blind, like I said, you'll absorb the bullets for the people who actually can act. Take B site rush D2, You get get blind move out of the way, and no one else on your team is blind. So now the first guy or two who are fully capable of killing guys die now cause instead of shooting at you(the blind guy who can't do anything) they shot the not blind people.

It's like buying an awp and rushing with it. It's a waste. We could have used that awp in mid, but instead you decided that you having that gun meant more than the team using it. You moving out of the way when blind is saying that your life means more than your teams. And that you are willing to let the first two not blind guys die rather than a blind guy. Cause if you are in the front of the rush, you should assume death. You should already have the mentality I'm going to get flashed or I'm going to die.

Originally Posted by Adretheon

Fully blind, like I said, you'll absorb the bullets for the people who actually can act. Take B site rush D2, You get get blind move out of the way, and no one else on your team is blind. So now the first guy or two who are fully capable of killing guys die now cause instead of shooting at you(the blind guy who can't do anything) they shot the not blind people.

It's like buying an awp and rushing with it. It's a waste. We could have used that awp in mid, but instead you decided that you having that gun meant more than the team using it. You moving out of the way when blind is saying that your life means more than your teams. And that you are willing to let the first two not blind guys die rather than a blind guy. Cause if you are in the front of the rush, you should assume death. You should already have the mentality I'm going to get flashed or I'm going to die.

First, If we are going to be talking about one blind guy running in we should assume that one non blind guy would absorb the same amount of bullets as a blind person. Also, the blind person becomes un blinded shortly after. This enables them to follow in.

Also, why should you think you will die at the front of a push? I have seen many people not die at the front of a push as well as doing it myself.

Rush and die. Your "moving out of the way" is being a pussy and you probably end up blocking someone. Just hold w spray and pray. Like others have said you will be a distraction and the non blind players can move in and capitalize on your sacrifice.

And if your getting accused of baiting/selling out the team, and feel the need to defend yourself... you probably are baiting your team.

Well this thread was constructive for me. From now on I'm pulling a Leeroy Jenkins into the site when I'm flashed instead of stepping aside.

Yay for learning.

Generally on a rush, where you get blinded are in choke points. Moving out of the way, or to the side means either blocking the rest of your team or narrowing the choke even further. Heck, might as well fire blindly so that you're even more of a distraction to the CTs. Remember, bullets wasted on you mean that they're that much closer to running out. A full on rush needs to be quick, if the CTs have time to reload, you're doing it wrong.

The thinking that "Oh hey, I'll come in five seconds later and be able to see them." Is flawed when you're rushing through chokes. The defenders have an automatic advantage on your quickdraw knowing exactly where you need to come from, they just need to spam the general area, whereas you need to 1. Acquire targets. 2. Evaluate who to shoot if there are multiple targets. 3. Clear your line of fire so friendlies don't block the shot.

Originally Posted by Sel Gomez

First, If we are going to be talking about one blind guy running in we should assume that one non blind guy would absorb the same amount of bullets as a blind person. Also, the blind person becomes un blinded shortly after. This enables them to follow in.

Also, why should you think you will die at the front of a push? I have seen many people not die at the front of a push as well as doing it myself.

Because you being blind can't do anything. So sacrificing yourself won't hit the team as hard as sacrificing someone who isn't blind who could potentially kill the B site team.

And you should assume you'll die because if you don't assume that you'll die then you'll try not to die. Which means you'll back out of a rush you don't think will work, you'll move out of the way when blind. You're causing more things to potentially happen than if you just pushed. Because you could block people, you could get poeple killed, etc.