Thread: CSS rules and objectives

Originally Posted by ALPINESTAR

The flaw I see is that the rule can be interpreted in different ways by different admins. From the quotes posted it seems that some highs disagree.

The two high admins that play CSS with the most hours, (names left out for a reason) should debate for what the ultimate ruling is because they are 100% CSS dedicated. They know TTP css inside and out.

If one of them says that the ultimate rule is defuse or die trying, then the highs should agree on that rule and we should get on with our lives.

I can't see firing/punishing the high admin with the most or second most css coverage on the server for stating a rule as we as a community has understood it.

OR agree that the rule was confusing (as it clearly was) and move on. The most accurate way to interpret a rule isn't going to be what you think it says, it's going to be what you see in the server. Slaying for not attempting the defuse has become the standard. The admins need to accept that and change it if necessary, not fire anyone who was doing the job the way they learned to do it.

Admit that there is confusion about this rule and move on. That's what needs to be done so we can get past this before it gets worse.

thanks for the edit

Originally Posted by ALPINESTAR

The two high admins that play CSS with the most hours, (names left out for a reason) should debate for what the ultimate ruling is because they are 100% CSS dedicated. They know TTP css inside and out.

I've got 1500 hours on TTP's CSS server.

because it wasn't this year, or last year....does that mean you know more than me about CSS?

how many hours you got?

this notion of "well we can think for ourselves and only those that play with us can judge us" is what's wrong with CSS right now.

If I was going to connect, right now.....would you talk to ME like I was a noob?  Would you defy my like you defy commander?  What about laggy, who doesn't play CSS at all, really?

You have illustrated one of the many, many issues that makes CSS the poison that it is.  the blindness to the big picture.

rules, and how rules are made, and how rules are interpreted, supercede the game itself.  It doesn't matter if it's in the CSS universe, or in the WoW universe.  Teh situation, the options, the outcomes......this is all game theory.  How games work.  What makes a game...a "game".  A good game.  A fair game.  A balanced game.

If you're going to say that tony and mafia and hub are the ones that should make the rule, then I can tell you what tony is saying right now, and that's "circumstances matter" and discretion is required.

Due to the fact that we are all different people, with different brains, and different camera angles as to waht's going on......we're going to have different opinions.  But admins are made admins because their opinions are on a higher level.  Their bias is reduced and hopefully removed.  Their understanding of the game, and principles of games, in on a higher level.  And the more of these types of qualities they have, the higher level of admin the become....at least at TTP.  "Game hours" have nothing to fucking do with it.  If it did, then the only high admins we'd have would ALL come from CSS, since CSS is the oldest game.  And they don't.  Almost half of them do......but even those half have moved onto new games (me, commander, hub, etc).

This is not, however, the only instance when someone in a position of power has come in to the CSS server and disrupted the regular flow of things.

If such things are, for example, admins making bad calls and punishing players for nothing other than being a CT on a bomb map and losing, or being a T on a hostage map and losing....then we're supposed to be in there, messing up your precious "flow of things", since things aren't flowing correctly.

Such punishments, without looking at the big picture......without looking at what that player was doing WHEN the bomb was planted...WHY they were doing it....WHAT they did after that......and WHETHER they do this repeatedly (as the rules sticky describes)....if such punishments are made without looking at the circumstances, then such punishments are stupid, unjustified, and unfair.  Maybe in some cases, that player had it coming.  But in some cases...a player that was trying to make it happen, and is trying to get back, and is trying to be there for his team...taht player is going to get slayed for NOTHING, and look at TTP like a joke of a community.

and rightly so.  Slays....are for blatant campers and sellouts.  Since the beginning.  If something's changed, then I blame the admins getting lax, the older mids not teaching the new ones, and the system.  FYI, it's difficult for high or mid admins to know how lesser admins are doing their job, since higher level admins assume control of the server when they connect, and lower level admins are not allowed to do big things like bans, or slays, or kicks.

So...in this case...it's HARD TO SEE things like this happen.  But when they do.......boom.

Originally Posted by ...bigdog...

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

Good post for damage control.

The players are pissed because we have a admin that presumes he is above the law. He obscures the truth with playing word games then recites the rules to what they should mean to him.

this coming from an admin that was voted on by his peers to be fired......

pretty hard to take that seriously, right?

if you want to make some quotes, and drop some names, and make a case, you go right ahead. high admins get fired and suspended, just as mids and lows do. So you come on and bring it.

I have made mistakes in the past but I identify them and move forward.
Unlike the admin in question who never makes mistakes and must be some admin god.

Seems to the css community every time commander connects to the server all hell breaks loose. From that I mean its the CSS community having a problem with this admin and not commander having a problem with the css community.

read what I said again. I did not mention myself once. You did.

My post was not to make you rage. It was to state my opinion that the gaming changes, and if your not around for 3 years the highs in charge begin to set an example of how rules are going to be enforced by how they play.