CSS admin confessions

**...bigdog...** · 05-18-09, 09:51 AM

A pm to all CSS admins

Originally Posted by ...bigdog...

everyone here (in fucking CSS) is so god damn quick to puff up their "I didn't do it" chests, and make some speech (not criticizing you, manse...just the trend of things in the CSS admin forums over the last several YEARS)........when really guys....we agree. And a few misspokes and quick posts by some, most especially xplodr and his cronies, has turned this into some witch hunt.

No one here is slaying for stupid reasons.....I don't believe it. Which is why xplodr was fired, since we believe it had more to do with him WANTING to slay commander, because he doesn't like commander. If it was just a simple rule misinterpretation, then we would have judged him as such, and likely suspended him for breaking heirarchy and protocol.

If any of you guys are slaying all fo the CT's because they're alive when the bomb goes off....no matter what they are doing....then you need to step up and face suspension. 30 days. If accusations are made in teh public forums that hold water by testimony/witnesses...and you don't step up (this is your chance)....then you're getting fired.

Responses:

Originally Posted by yungryder

Yep, Ive slayed many players for not attempting a defuse. From my recolection. I have not slayed anyone who obviously didnt have time to defuse. I slay the one that hide while the bomb ticks away.

If I must be punished so be it. Shut them sissy girls up. :9

Originally Posted by SmokenSherriff_

I too have slayed for non defuse. Only when I am aware of the reason they didnt defuse. After checking on my understanding of the rule, I am certainly only using this in appropriate times. Do what you shall...

Smoke

Originally Posted by HYBRIDKILLA

I to have slayed ppl for going for the defuse and warned them in god chat....I cant recall every slay that i have ever done but I'm sure if they were slayed it was because they didn't make a valid attempt....

So in closing if i need to be suspend for 30 day's so be it if it will stop all the drama...

Originally Posted by Fajita!

I have only slayed when a CT has not made a valid attempt. If they tried and failed I never punished.

Originally Posted by fly351

I have slayed for not defusing, and obviously I cant remember them all but I am sure it was for them not attemping. If they put forth the effort and truly attempted a defuse then I wouldn't have.

If 30 days is needed I will take my punishment.

Originally Posted by QuickLightning

I think it goes without saying that I have slayed players for not making a real attempt to get to the bomb more times than I can count.

However, it is always a player that has had plenty of time to make it to the bombsite and does not.

I do not slay if a player makes an honest attempt against overwhelming odds, is misled by a bad call or goes to the wrong site because no call is made.

Other than that or any other extreme circumstances, they get warned or punished for not making an attempt.

I don't think any of our admins were abusing their powers when it comes to this... but if this is what we are now considering abuse, I readily accept any punishment that seems fitting.

Originally Posted by BIGAG

I have slayed persons that have not gone for the defuse. They either had enough time to make it to the site and defuse and chose not to or they chose to take their sweet ass time getting to the site. I will also take my punishment if my actions warrant it.

AG

Originally Posted by RePo

I am a little confused of what is being asked of us in this quote. I dont think I fall into the wrong, but no matter, I have slayed players for not attempting to go for a defuse when they clearly had time to make an attempt. I do not and will not slay someone who is making a valid attempt at the objective reguardless if he makes the blast area or not.
I undertsand what is being asked of us in regards to the topic.
RePo

Originally Posted by Albemuth

I certainly have slayed anyone who didn't make a realistic attempt at defusing the bomb or helping the team. If some one is trying for the bomb or trying to kill the opposing team then nope. If they never made an effort and or run away to keep the gun I have slayed them.

I think we now have some clarity to the rule and that helps. If my slays in the past on this subject have seemed abusive then I'll take whatever punishment is needed.

-Albe

Originally Posted by Adretheon

I've gotten like 7 emails(maybe more) cause of this pm. We supposed to be replying to this? If so then ok. I have indeed slayed for not trying to defuse. I tried to be open minded about what needed a slay and what didn't, but we're only human. So yes, I may have slayed someone that had tried and pulled out(odds are). Like the others said, if punishment is gunna happen then lay it on me. Best way to make something stick is to have a personal connection to it. Also, I love you guys

So again, for all you out there that are saying "oh, well, this is how the rule is done".....you need to get some perspective. You see people getting slayed. And perhaps a vast % of the people that don't make it the bombsite ARE sellouts and campers.....but that doesn't mean we slay 100% of everyone that doesn't die when the bomb goes off on the CT team. And we never have.

However....

Originally Posted by JeffZilla

I have slayed CT's for not going for the defuse "go for defuse or die trying" is what I thought was a rule...regarless of the timer. So...I'm pretty sure there have been times when I have slayed players who simply ran away because they knew they had no chance. I will enforce this rule in the future now that I clearly understand what the highs are looking for. If 30 days is needed...I will take my punishment. Thank you

-jeffzilla-

his fire/suspension vote has completed in for the high admins, and is now under review by the CSS admins. his punishment is admin business, however know that is is being decided on, right now.

**Consultant** · 05-18-09, 10:50 AM

Hell, in my extremely short tenure as a CSS admin I think even *I* slayed a couple people for not trying - they had time on Aztec and hid out in CT spawn and learned that that was unacceptable.

As a TF2 admin, I have punished (kicks mostly because slay was just recently added to LoneStar) for people bailing on a last minute rush to save their K

ratio.

The rule always made sense to me...I dont understand the "misunderstanding".

**Toker** · 05-18-09, 11:12 AM

Pursue the objective or die trying requires stating the objective.

Many thought that if they couldn't complete their objective, like defusing a bomb, then they had to kill themeselves from the bomb radius or they will get slayed.

but we don't just slay people based on round and bomb timers. That's not fair. We have to weigh what's going on, what's been going on, and what that player is doing about it.

THIS IS NOT A DIFFICULT CONCEPT.

If someone is just camping, hiding, or selling out their team in general, then yes, they will be warned, slayed, or whatever else the admin(s) feel is necessary to motivate that player to get with the program. I was hired to use discretion, my best judgement given the situation, since day one, and nothing has changed.

**ALPINESTAR** · 05-18-09, 11:23 AM

From what witnesses are saying.. Commander DID run away and hide so he didn't blow up.. Im still confused?

**Toker** · 05-18-09, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by ALPINESTAR

From what witnesses are saying.. Commander DID run away and hide so he didn't blow up.. Im still confused?

You know the difference between attempting and not attempting. Stop playing dumb, because I know you are a good player.

I dont always slay a player for not going for defuse depending on situations. 1 CT vs 8 T. No REAL way to get the bomb but I expect him to push the site and force the T's to stay.

That's what Xplodr slayed Commander for doing, trying his damn best. He wasn't pussy footing, hiding or any shit like that. These facts are not new.

**ALPINESTAR** · 05-18-09, 11:38 AM

Well from day 1 here I was taught by the community to hold that "w" key in towards the bomb until the next round started. If you are close enough to the bomb you blow up, if not I'd still run towards the site.

**jmw_man** · 05-18-09, 11:49 AM

Well, I have no interest in "trying" to "save" my gun, to me, that's silly. I'll die trying to defuse before I ever try to save my gun. Makes more sense to me.

**DuDDy** · 05-18-09, 11:58 AM

Might as well toss my name on that list too. When I was an admin I would slay some CT's, but as stated by a vast majority of my former peers, only did so when the situation warranted it.

**iravedic** · 05-18-09, 12:16 PM

Hopefully a comment of clarity ---

I am relatively new to CS:S, and have learned the game - and learned to love the game - from watching and learning from many of the people listed above. I learned the game based upon the "defuse or die trying" mantra. I always try to acheive the objective. There have been many times I have been the last CT - not one time have I tried to "save" my gun for the next round. Have there been times that I have gone to the wrong site - absolutely. Have there been times I arrive to late - absolutlely. Have I ever clutched a round - yes - granted it doesn't happen often but a blind squirrel does find an acorn every now and then.

And thats the point - from my perspective - you never know when some uber clutch juices will being to run and the registry gods will smile upon you and you will pull out a round and win. If I don't try then we will never know if I could have succeeded.

Thats how I choose to play the game I learned on TTP soil. I learned the game from what I considered to be the best and will continue to play based upon the "defuse or die trying" mantra.

I have never been slayed for trying. I have seen many people not try - and when that occurs they have been slayed almost without exception.