Thread: AWP

**GReYVee** · 09-15-09, 04:33 PM

Yeah this topic resurfaces every few weeks.

As others have stated, its a vote everyone gets to decide on. And though it usually passes, sometimes it does not. And when it does, there is still the scout. :9

**Bunni** · 09-15-09, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by stash

Originally Posted by Bunni

Originally Posted by stash

i think there should be no more awp votes and allow awps always but only 1 or 2 on each team what do you guys think?

ive been pushing that since day one, but im always out voted :3

i see...

see what i mean, dont listen to them (they always vote yes

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**Arreo** · 09-15-09, 04:50 PM

Alright, magically there is a restriction that only allows one AWP per team. Who get to use that one weapon? How do you decide?

One AWP per team sounds good in theory, but in practice just think about how it would play out on the server...

**CivilWars** · 09-15-09, 05:51 PM

I think we should set up the server so only Civil can have an AWP, ever, and it only costs him $600. Vote yes.

**bust331** · 09-15-09, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I think we should set up the server so only Civil can have an AWP, ever, and it only costs him $600. Vote yes.

vtd

whoa wait, civil plays CSS??

**QuickLightning** · 09-15-09, 05:58 PM

I don't see the problem.

It either gets voted on and restricted or the community decides to keep it.

AWPs just really annoy me when the objective side uses them. Few things are more frustrating than rushing to a site and dying with only 1-2 of your teammates because the rest of your team is way back behind you with an awp staring at a door somewhere.

**bust331** · 09-15-09, 06:03 PM

True dat, I also find it annoying when the team winning by 10+ uses it.

that's weak man.

**Bunni** · 09-15-09, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Arreo

Alright, magically there is a restriction that only allows one AWP per team. Who get to use that one weapon? How do you decide?

One AWP per team sounds good in theory, but in practice just think about how it would play out on the server...

again, application of the community set limit of instances of a given class on a team in tf2. Dont have the problem there, if we do, we ask nicely and are usually pleasantly surprised.

**Bunni** · 09-15-09, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by QuickLightning

I don't see the problem.

It either gets voted on and restricted or the community decides to keep it.

AWPs just really annoy me when the objective side uses them. Few things are more frustrating than rushing to a site and dying with only 1-2 of your teammates because the rest of your team is way back behind you with an awp staring at a door somewhere.

Dont hate the weapon because of ___ player, people do what you mention above with other weapons, why not hate on those?
... See what i mean? The problem is that the community doesnt decide on morality they decide on personal preference.

By that i mean:

Originally Posted by Bunni

Really the whole underlying principle of the awp vote is flawed. The out come of the vote dictates the preference of the voters, not the morality behind the vote. For example, in TF2, if a vote to restrict the spy class came up in game: being an engineer ill sure as hell vote yes, im tired of having that spy come sap my turrets. My heavy buddy defending my gun will vote yes so he can go out into the field instead of playing baby sitter. The medic who lost 2 of his ubers to a spy's backstab is going to vote yes, etc etc, the vote results in the spy class being restricted. Does this mean it should have been restricted? No, certainly not, it only means that the majority of the server does not personally like spies.

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**QuickLightning** · 09-15-09, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Bunni

Originally Posted by QuickLightning

I don't see the problem.

It either gets voted on and restricted or the community decides to keep it.

AWPs just really annoy me when the objective side uses them. Few things are more frustrating than rushing to a site and dying with only 1-2 of your teammates because the rest of your team is way back behind you with an awp staring at a door somewhere.

Dont hate the weapon because of ___ player, people do what you mention above with other weapons, why not hate on those?
... See what i mean? The problem is that the community doesnt decide on morality they decide on personal preference.

By that i mean:

Originally Posted by Bunni

Really the whole underlying principle of the awp vote is flawed. The out come of the vote dictates the preference of the voters, not the morality behind the vote. For example, in TF2, if a vote to restrict the spy class came up in game: being an engineer ill sure as hell vote yes, im tired of having that spy come sap my turrets. My heavy buddy defending my gun will vote yes so he can go out into the field instead of playing baby sitter. The medic who lost 2 of his ubers to a spy's backstab is going to vote yes, etc etc, the vote results in the spy class being restricted. Does this mean it should have been restricted? No, certainly not, it only means that the majority of the server does not personally like spies.

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Guess I misworded what I was trying to say there.

I don't hate the awp. I think it is a GREAT defensive weapon. However, whenever it is employed in mass on the rushing team... there usually is no longer a rush. I don't care how much people will say that they can rush with it just fine, time and time again we have seen a team made up of mainly awpers simply camp instead. We will have a lot of volunteers to pick mid rather than lead the rush.

When the awp is restricted, there is a much smaller change of the above happening. Which is why my annoyance with it (on the rushing team) is directed towards the weapon.