Thread: This is so f*&^#$ stupid..

hmmm, last i played we play the maps the players vote for.

Would you rather play 5v5 on a custom or 10v10 on a regular map? 90% of the time cutoms empty the server.

Sad but true. Most customs hurt the server more than anything. There are a few that enough regs have and know now that they can last and get extended. Lost Temple Pro comes to mind. But really they are few and far between. That is not to say we probably won't try more in the future as I'm sure we will. However, we probably won't have a lot of them as they do tend to empty the server.

Theres two types of players: A small handful (if it was any bigger, then they would outvote everyone else) of players who stay for a long duration (6-7 maps, or about 4-5 hours at a time); we will call these players extended-stayers. While the rest rotate out, playing for one or two maps then leaving; we will call these players short-comers. These short-comers are selfish and just want to play their favorite maps for the hour or so of game-time they have. Since the short-comers out-weigh the extended-stayers in numbers, the small handful extended-stayers fall victim and are forced to experience the repetitious map cycle. Furthermore, these selfish short-comers really, really, do not want to play a off-map (anything thats not dust2, office, pira, port) and refuse to play (rage quit) rejected maps (militia, Havana, prodigy, etc) for the short period of time they plan/have-time to play the game.

Now theres three possible solutions. A, go back to a mapcycle, have some kind of a weighted map voting system (recently played maps are more unlikely to win a vote), or leave it as it is.


I like Solution B, think of it ewok. Instead of a vote winning because of the number of votes, what about basing it on a point system. Each vote canidate has a certain point modifier, say one that is larger the greater the time since it was last played (ex if the map was played last map, it has a very low modifier, and if the map was played 8 maps ago, it has a much higher modifier). And another modifier for a maps popularity (decided in the forums), this way maps that are hated for a reason dont win just because they were played the longest ago. Then multiply these two modifers by the number of votes, and the vote candidate with the most votes wins.

Since CSS is not (for the time being) admined by lonestar Solution B is out. Leaving solution A and C, honestly, i Like solution A a lot more then C. I remember the times when there was no voting for maps in css and things were just on a mapcycle. Sure this pissed off the short-comers, who whined and quit, but when things are at the point that militia, Havana, or going to the extreme: dust, are fun to play because the cycle of maps is so repetitious something should be done. Furthermore, we can shorten the win limit, and total map time for maps that are less popular like milita, tides, havana etc. While extending the times and limits for maps that are more popular and please both the extended-stayers and short-comers.

EDIT: i forgot mani has a hybrid solution B, basing available maps on when they were last played and other configurable modifiers.

If we just stick with solution C, the extended-stayers get screwed and forced to play dust2 -> port -> pira -> office/inferno/nuke -> dust2 over and over and over and over and over. Anytime a off map comes around the short-comers whine to the point that their time rtv in hopes the map will change and they end up on a different team.


Though if we examine the player traffic, we know that short-comers usually make up 60%-75%. However, if we examine the traffic of reservist it actually approaches a even 50-50.... Maybe a map-cycle server with manipulated win limits and game times depending on the popularity of the map?

I say we do the following:

1. Shorten the rounds and time per map.

2. Add some of the customs and less played maps to the mapcycle, so they come up in the automated votes.