Thread: Class limiting?!?!

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

and AK-99. how often have you played? because I've been on for 4-5 hours straight before and never once seen 4 mgs defend for a bit then pounce on the flags. instead they camp, the 3-4 people trying to help their team are left out to dry, get destroyed so they start camping. The team pushing them back can't break through the mgs so they start camping instead and pretty soon you have two teams doing nothing but sitting back and camping. Plus explain to me how you know a team of teamplayers could do such against 4 mgs? esp since i rarely see you without an mg in your hands.

Just because you have never seen it does not mean it hasn't happend. Sure it highly unlikely but its totally possible.

If the whole enemy team does a bum rush and gets rolled the MG's can run up getting each flag and setting up. Repeating the cycle until they get them all.

Why can't you smoke them out?
Get the other team to go assult throw smoke in front of them then run past to the flag or flank to behind them. Or get some snipers and take them out from a distance.

And you just asked how much do I play. Then you say "i rarely see you without an mg in your hands" How do you know what classes I play the most if you never see me on?

I'll let you know. I do play MG a lot. MG and assult are my two main classes. Do I play MG every second all the time? NO.

I know I'm probably not going to win the argument but it's something I think goes against the TTP ideals.

Originally Posted by Guyver

There was this (allies) guy on Flash earlier and all he was doing was sitting on the sandbag by our first flag...he would not move up EVEN after we had our second flag. Me & Ficet had to tell him four or five times before he listened. If you're going to MG and you're going to sit back just to get kills, then yes, you should be forced outta that class.

And your going to have that problem no matter what. Just because its limited to two MG's doesn't mean they are automatically going to be teamplayer MG's

But we got him to listen and move up and be a teamplayer.

im going to have to disagree with the limiting class stuff. A (long) while ago, my team had (including me) 4 MGs. But we won 9-1 at the end because we used teamwork. We had 3 MGs hold back, cover the one who was pushing up with our offensive classes. When the other team tried to advance up, we still had at least 2 MGs around the corner, along with a sniper in the back.

Regardless of whether or not you are for or against the limit, the fact remains that you cannot say that having 4 mg's is not teamplay, no more than you can say having 4 snipers is not teamplay. Teamplay isn't about what weapons you use, it's about how you use them in-line with communication. 4 mg's with a 6 person team can easily leapfrog across the map capturing and holding every point the team captures. At the same time, if you have 3 of the mg's sitting in places that aren't helpful to the team, and they aren't communicating why they are doing so, then the same scenario becomes non teamplay.

I was playing with 4 players (including myself) on a team yesterday on anzio. 2 of my teammates were mg's. Now, I've had this setup before and it's worked wonderfully. However this time, it wasn't working out, due to lack of communication and lack of skill from the players using this weapon. Same scenario different outcome this time...nonteamplay.

It's all about the situation and and communication. Teamplay isn't defined by which weapons class you use.

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

Originally Posted by Ficet99

I like how Rick sums it up

Originally Posted by HGRickover

Originally Posted by insanegammer109

But when one team is sitting at their first with a team half-full of MG's neither team is playing a productive team play filled game,

You can only know that the 'mg' team is not using teamwork to try to win unless you are either on that team or you have irrefutable evidence (another admin for instance). In the case that they aren't using teamplay, you then take strong action towards the direction of making them understand what team play is... that is, you ask them pointedly to do tasks. It is at that moment that you create a teamplayer.

Never, not once, does running a limit weapon vote reinforce teamplay... to use that reason for the vote is absurd.

In the case that they are using teamplay and trying to win then it's not your place as an admin to try to change their strategy simply because it bores you. TTP, as far as I know, does not guarantee the lack of boredom.

The golden rule is 'win, or die trying, using teamplay'. There are no guidelines, no rules, that define proper strategy.

I think that the in-game limit vote makes us look weak, feeble minded, cheap, win-by-vote bitches.

This whole thing makes me feel sooooo... ADD.

Look, my point of view did not win the day but if we keep running in-game votes then 'teamplay enforcement' lost a key battle too. It's time to quit being team stacking, win-by-vote bitches. Define how this bitch is gonna run and go make teamplayers. Votes won't do it.

I fail to see how class limiting encourages or enforces teamplay? Why are we allowing six people to sit in spawn with MG's? How do we know their not communicating when they do it if were on the other team? I just fail to see why we need these limits.

With a full team of people coordinating 4 MG's are going to give the enemy heck. You then have 6 people capping flags with 4 MG's getting in position and just locking down the entire enemy team.

Were limiting the possibility for players to experiment tactics freely and telling them that they must play this way. They must play as a team, but limiting the ability for them to do that with limit votes and limiting the way they can play as a team just doesn't seem like the way we should do things.

Just my 2 cents.

Ficet you mean the same rick that said this?

Originally Posted by HGRickover

All limited... MORE TEAMPLAY less... Awe shucks I wanna play what I wanna play.

or this?

Originally Posted by HGRickover

And, may I suggest (yes, go ahead, flip-out and go tyrannical) limits for all the classes

In all the times that it's been discussed I have yet to read a single argument against class limits that doesn't boil down to, "I wanna play what I wanna play". Not a teamplayer oriented situation.........

I might not agree with that all the things he says, but I do agree with what he said in the first quote. No one seems to be winning this argument really. I'll await eagerly for the Highs decision.

I just say, why limit the possibilities for a team to play together?

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

Originally Posted by Ficet99

I just say, why limit the possibilities for a team to play together?

it doesn't limit the possibilities for a team to play together, it limits the possibilities for a team to not play together. you can play together if the mgs or snipers are limited. if you need 4 mgs or 4 snipers for your team to play together, then your team has some major problems to begin with.

You could have 4-5 assult people standing around with there thumbs up there ass just as much as an MG or Sniper.

What the fuck is this all about? From what I've been told and read this is just temporary until we admins can deal with it on our own. LS isn't complete yet so we can't put up votes to limit the two classes that most people don't know how to play effectively (MG and Sniper). When you have a team full of MGs or Snipers that aren't doing shit or when players start leaving because they can barely get out of spawn you need to take action. Normally this would be done with a vote, but since we don't have that option the only way to control this is to limit those classes. Get it?

There's your answer AK...