The War Z devs

**SourceSkills** · 01-10-13, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

Forbes is a business magazine I trust.

Trusting any mainstream media outlet is an outright travesty in this day and age. Just had to say that I don’t mean offense.

And Al I get get what you're saying and all but you can't judge them by those stories. It's true what they say for the most part but so what you know. I say I always must find out for myself what's reality and what's made up for the attention. I'm not sure anything Hammerpoint Interactive has done even compares to what EA and Activision have done to the gaming industry or for that matter the gaming community :P.

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**i8pptuakamonstercam** · 01-10-13, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by SourceSkills

If I understand you correctly you claim they never told you that the game was alpha and that if you bought it thats what you got but that's untrue. It said everywhere on the purchase page that the game was alpha soon to be beta.
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I remember seeing the steam page when they were selling it and I don't remember that it said it was alpha or beta?

http://leviathyn.com/wp-content/uplo...2/12/j9Q3f.jpg

**Alundil** · 01-10-13, 02:05 PM

And therein lies the "rub" as it were. I'm not attempting to measure Hammerpoint, or Artktos (or whichever company is holding the reins) against EA or it's practices. I drew a parallel between them as from a "damaged trust" perspective.

EA - I don't trust, after having a fairly long consumer relationship with them. Does that mean I avoid anything/everything EA? So far, it has been pretty complete in that regard. Does that mean forever? I sincerely hope that their practices improve because they are one of the largest, and therefore most influential, companies in the electronic entertainment business and that shows no sign of changing. So, I have to hope that they change otherwise they'll wind up damaging even more of the hobby that I enjoy.

Hammerpoint - my willingness to grant the benefit of the doubt has been lessened. First impressions are critical in all things, but especially if someone wants my money.

Originally Posted by Sourceskills

...you can't judge them by those stories. It's true what they say for the most part...

But I can and that judgement/first impression is even more valid if the basis for them is, as you point out, mostly true. That's not meant to take away from the fact that some people (even many) enjoy the game, find it fun, or think it has great potential. That's fine and not my issue. I'll even say that I hope it turns out better than it started.

But for me, I'll need concrete, certifiable proof that the company isn't purposely misleading its paying customers. Thus far, I am glad I never spent any money on it as I feel that they are misleading people. It would also appear that thousands agree with me (and you admit it as well but choose to hold out hope - and that's fine but that doesn't absolve them).

**Guyver** · 01-10-13, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by i8pptuakamonstercam

I remember seeing the steam page when they were selling it and I don't remember that it said it was alpha or beta?

http://leviathyn.com/wp-content/uplo...2/12/j9Q3f.jpg

Yep...it was never listed as an alpha on the Steam page.

**SourceSkills** · 01-10-13, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by i8pptuakamonstercam

I remember seeing the steam page when they were selling it and I don't remember that it said it was alpha or beta?

http://leviathyn.com/wp-content/uplo...2/12/j9Q3f.jpg

This is the steam purchase page which by all accounts cannot be considered an accurate description considering it's removal soon after. However you are right it said nowhere on the STEAM purchase page at which stage the game was at in development. The purchase page I am referring to and where most people have bought the game was on their website which properly described what you were buying on all the different price points. Further more as I understand it, it is not the responsibility of the dev team behind the game to program their own steam store page.

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**Guyver** · 01-10-13, 03:40 PM

It was taken down because the vast majority of features listed were simply untrue. Valve didn't go "Oh shit, we fucked up", and took it down. They went, "Oh shit, the WarZ devs fucked up, and this makes us look bad", took it down.

**Guyver** · 01-10-13, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by SourceSkills

Further more as I understand it, it is not the responsibility of the dev team behind the game to program their own steam store page.

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LOL...are you serious? What's on the Steam page highly likely came straight from the Dev team.

Are you really suggesting that the inaccuracies on the Steam store page are Valves' fault?

**Guyver** · 01-10-13, 03:46 PM

Double post ...grrr.

**SourceSkills** · 01-10-13, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Guyver

LOL...are you serious? What's on the Steam page highly likely came straight from the Dev team.

Are you really suggesting that the inaccuracies on the Steam store page are Valves' fault?

Yes I am because they did not do their due diligence in this matter. Are you under the impression that those features will not be a part of the game ever? Because that's not true the game is still in development and everything that's listed there will soon be a part of the game as so said by the devs. It will just take time. I see no need to fret about all that. As for the steam page once again Hammerpoint Interactive and valve are still working on that.

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