Thread: The way people are kicked for reserve slot players...

He complained about a problem he was having, and I offered a simple solution. If you, the general all encompassing you not specifically you, don't mind waiting for a slot to open then no problem. If you hate waiting for players to leave, so you can join, there is a simple solution. As for 100% of the time you can get on any TTP server right now with no wait.

Edit - And if you enjoy TTP so much that you would rather wait and keep refreshing the join screen as opposed to go to another server that you could get on right away how is paying for a reserve slot such a bad thing?

Originally Posted by CivilWars

As for 100% of the time you can get on any TTP server right now with no wait.

Because there is no one playing at 9 am.

Well if you don't want to pay this is your chance to beat the prime time crowd.

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Edit - And if you enjoy TTP so much that you would rather wait and keep refreshing the join screen as opposed to go to another server that you could get on right away how is paying for a reserve slot such a bad thing?

Its not a bad thing, what you dont understand is that the general population who would like to play on ttp without having to play would have a more equal opportunity if the reserve slots were set to kick specific people based on data/time connected.

What it seems like it is becoming is less opportunity to play if you are not a paying customer. We all know we can get reserve slots, but civil sometimes its just not as easy as saying "You could just get a reserve slot, what a novel idea."

There are great reasons to get a reserve slot, but is the reserve slot population out weighing the population without reserved slots?

Its like hardcore and casual gamers, the casual gamers will outwiegh the hardcore in % by a landslide.

So these "Casual gamers" Without reserve slots , the general population who havent found TTP yet/ or loyal regs who havent bought reserve slots yet, are the population that TTP should be catering to more, because only catering to the population that pays up does not seem as equal to me.

Do you get what im saying? Or do you have another sly comment as to why playing right now is the best time because the servers are empty?

I totally get what you are saying. I played on TTP for months before getting a reserve slot. I used to sit at the join game screen on BF2 just waiting for the server to go to 59. I was still able to play, I just had to wait my turn. I finally grew tired of it, and got a reserved slot. Now I no longer have to wait.

If you have played on TTP, and enjoy the teamplay you will come back. If you keep coming back, and you keep having to wait, then you can either choose to keep waiting every time, or get a reserved slot. As for who we cater to, I totally disagree. 1. The admins and reservists are the ones who pay the bills. Any business in the world will cater to paying customers over free customers. It is just good business. 2. TTP does consider the non-playing people as well. That is why we keep adding more servers.

Long story short is I have no problem with people that don't want to pay for a slot. I do have problems with people who choose not to pay for a slot, but feel slighted that they can never get on the server during prime time. The solutions are simple; pay for a slot, play at non-peak times, or play somewhere else.

Originally Posted by CivilWars

As for who we cater to, I totally disagree. 1. The admins and reservists are the ones who pay the bills. Any business in the world will cater to paying customers over free customers. It is just good business. 2. TTP does consider the non-playing people as well. That is why we keep adding more servers.

People dont just jump in and start paying bills.

It takes time to gain the trust of a stranger/new player, to make TTP his home and concider dishing out his real money to support a gaming community.

Now granted, in some of TTPS instances this could be easy to gain someones financial aid,but with TF2 it seems it is becoming increasingly harder for the new player/player without a reserve slot to play at all without having his game time cut short. This makes it difficult for them to come back and say hey, maybe i could play here exclusivley.

Why does someone want to play here exclusively if they cannot even play at all?

Any business in the world will cater to paying customers over free customers.

I understand that, but lets be real, the prime time when reservists are on is only a small % of the whole day. When reservists arent on, TTP needs the nonamers/ new people/ people without R slots to keep the servers alive.

So as much as you say TTP relies on people who pay, it relies on people who dont pay just as much to keep the servers running, and not some barren ghost land.

When TTP was made and there were no reserved slots, they relied on the people who have never heard of this gaming community before, to keep it populated and keep people coming back. SO now that TTP is blowing up ,you cannot set aside the people who helped TTP become what it is, as opposed to the people who you already own their trust/their funds.

TTP instances with only regs playing wont keep the servers alive at ALL times, because there just arent enough reservists compared to regular players.

What I AM SAYING , is if we can fix these reserved slots to KICK BASED ON DATA, THEN it will be a more BALANCED MARRIAGE BETWEEN WHO IS PLAYING at the best/prime times.

Paying players/Regular players should be able to play at the same time at all times of the day, this would be made easier by fixing the R slot system.

Originally Posted by agentazn303

What I AM SAYING , is if we can fix these reserved slots to KICK BASED ON DATA, THEN it will be a more BALANCED MARRIAGE BETWEEN WHO IS PLAYING at the best/prime times.

Paying players/Regular players should be able to play at the same time at all times of the day, this would be made easier by fixing the R slot system.

Ewok is working on it. But, what data do you base it on that is "fair" for the non-reservists? If you and I are the only 2 non-reservists on a full server what is the "fairest" way to decide who stays, and who goes when another admin/reservists joins?

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Originally Posted by agentazn303

What I AM SAYING , is if we can fix these reserved slots to KICK BASED ON DATA, THEN it will be a more BALANCED MARRIAGE BETWEEN WHO IS PLAYING at the best/prime times.

Paying players/Regular players should be able to play at the same time at all times of the day, this would be made easier by fixing the R slot system.

Ewok is working on it. But, what data do you base it on that is "fair" for the non-reservists? If you and I are the only 2 non-reservists on a full server what is the "fairest" way to decide who stays, and who goes when another admin/reservists joins?

Well that would be ultimately ewoks choice, as he is lonestar mod lead.

But certainly this system now is not "Fair" for any non reservist at all, being he could have helped prime the server just to be kicked indiscriminately when it fills up.

Its just rediculous sometimes, and those are the small things that wont bring someone back to this great community to really see what its about.

Playing tf2 at TTP every day, i see people who ive never seen before connect and enjoy the hell out of TTP TF2, but they might get kicked for reserved slot when the reservists come in, and reconnect later on only to be frustrated and wonder why/how the reserve slot system works at all.

NOW, this player could be a complete douchebag, or the next TTP RESERVIST/ADMIN. You never know.
Thats why this random system just detracts from the greatness that ttp has established as a teamplay gaming community etc. when people wonder what the fuck just happened/are left in the dark.

It makes them ask why spend the time to come back at all, if that time spent wont matter when you are kicked indiscriminately. It feels like they are getting a great gaming experience, but then it is cut abruptly short, and then it becomes not such a great experience.

I agree to some extent, but not totally. Here are a few issues to consider as well.

1. I would be that almost every decent server has a reserve system of some type. Now it might be based on clan, admins, paying customers, who knows, but they have reserve slots, so we are no different in that sense.

2. Most, not all, players understand that there are reserved slots for at minimum admins. Also, our site is advertised everywhere, and you can easily find it by typing TTP in any search engine, so if I played the server, and wonder why I got kicked, or how to prevent it, I can easily find out.

3. From what I understand most admin mods do one of three things; kick a random player, kick the player that has been on the least amount of time, or kick the player with the highest ping. All of these options have their pros and cons, and regardless of what you kick for people will still complain that they should not be kicked for that reason.

Once again, I agree that people without slots should be allowed to join the server, and enjoy all that is TTP. My only complaint about the whole system is people that have been "regulars" for months that whine about being kicked or not getting in, but then when you suggest a reserved slot they act like you want them to sacrifice their first born to TTP. If you are new I will cut you some slack, but if you have been here for 9 months, and have 200+ posts, and don't see the value that a reserve slot provides both you and TTP, then I have no sympathy for you, and could care less if you are ever able to connect to the server. Just my opinion though.

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I agree to some extent, but not totally. Here are a few issues to consider as well.

1. I would be that almost every decent server has a reserve system of some type. Now it might be based on clan, admins, paying customers, who knows, but they have reserve slots, so we are no different in that sense.

I know, and I wasnt saying we are different for having a reserve slot system, I am saying it needs tweaking/fine tuning so that its not random.

2. Most, not all, players understand that there are reserved slots for at minimum admins. Also, our site is advertised everywhere, and you can easily find it by typing TTP in any search engine, so if I played the server, and wonder why I got kicked, or how to prevent it, I can easily find out.

I also understand that, we ALL know/understand that admins/reservists will ALWAYS have a spot available, thats not the issue, its how non reservists are kicked is the problem.

3. From what I understand most admin mods do one of three things; kick a random player, kick the player that has been on the least amount of time, or kick the player with the highest ping. All of these options have their pros and cons, and regardless of what you kick for people will still complain that they should not be kicked for that reason.

Yes, people will complain, but they will be complaining about A SET reserve slot system, a system that relies on reasoning to kick, not at random. So they will be arguing with reasoning rather than something that has no reasoning at all.

My only complaint about the whole system is people that have been "regulars" for months that whine about being kicked or not getting in, but then when you suggest a reserved slot they act like you want them to sacrifice their first born to TTP. If you are new I will cut you some slack, but if you have been here for 9 months, and have 200+ posts, and don't see the value that a reserve slot provides both you and TTP, then I have no sympathy for you, and could care less if you are ever able to connect to the server. Just my opinion though.

and lastly I feel that you are just crossing the line here.

You are not sporting a "Teamplayer" attitude with a comment like that.

FIRST OFF, IVE PERSONALLY NEVER SAID that I wouldnt spend my money on this community/OR THAT IT DOESNT DESERVE IT.

SO when you ASSUME, or include most of us in that percentile, you are just being arrogant and quite selfish.

I understand that you are a reservist here, but you should quit spitting in the faces of others who arent. I will gladly spend my money here, but im waiting for the opportune moment to do so.


You say were WHINING? in a thread about ISSUES/IDEAS/IMPROVEMENTS?

So anything you disagree with is whining? That makes no sense at all.

Before I was taking the whole "join the server now its empty" thing lightly, but now that you are bluntly adding that you could give a shit less about your teamplay companions that have A VALID ISSUE TO BRING UP TO THE COMMUNITY about how its reserve slot system works, you are just really being unhelpful/inconciderate.

AND FOR YOU TO IGNORANTLY ASSUME that I or others in this thread "SEE NO VALUE IN WHAT A RESERVE SLOT BRINGS" YOU are again ASSUMING by your OWN ASSUMPTIONS, not by what we have said/or think.

No where have any of us right-minded individuals said that we think that reserved slots are fubar/waste of money, so reserve those assumptions to yourself .


You dont have to pay money to have a say in this community civil, you of all people should know that, but your comments tell me otherwise.