Thread: Science project Oil and shutting up the tree huggers for good.

Originally Posted by AetheLove

If you're going to keep posting, I'm going to start buying straw-man futures.

Anyone want to start an investment club?

Cheers,


AetheLove

Oh don't mistake me Aeth. I'm not trying to seriously argue with anyone. I'm just mocking the people who disagree with me and throwing out articles that tangentially support my opinion.

I've no illusions about the possibility that any environut can be convinced to change his/her/its mind. I also am not interested in changing MY mind, and since the onus is currently on the environuts and not me to demonstrate BEYOND reasonable doubt why I as an American should enact legislative change that will de facto tank the economy and ruin the country to save the trees, I'm not really that concerned.

People who are exclusively concerned with saving the environment never ask the question I routinely ask, which is this: "If we do everything that supposedly needs to be done to save the environment, will the resulting world be worth living in?"

The jungles are a rich and vibrant ecosystem with infinite variety and incredible beauty, and no one wants to LIVE in a jungle for a great many good god damn reasons.

Can't wait to Deliver a pizza to I.C. Wiener at Applied Cryogenics.

No idea what this topic is on but I had to respond to this:

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

Can't wait to Deliver a pizza to I.C. Wiener at Applied Cryogenics.

make sure your future self doesn't push you into a cryogenic tube with some time code tattooed on your rear....

Originally Posted by Cebelius

People who are exclusively concerned with saving the environment never ask the question I routinely ask, which is this: "If we do everything that supposedly needs to be done to save the environment, will the resulting world be worth living in?"

The jungles are a rich and vibrant ecosystem with infinite variety and incredible beauty, and no one wants to LIVE in a jungle for a great many good god damn reasons.

I don't want to live in the ocean, but I still like tuna.

Not many of us want to live in dense vegetation, but almost all of us prefer a steady diet of oxygen.

I don't want to live in the ozone layer, but if an evil super-villain threatened to destroy it unless the people of earth provided his white Persian cat with a diamond necklace, I'm pretty sure the people of earth would be saying "Did you want them set in gold or platinum?"

Lunatics with intransigent views which differ from yours don't excuse lunacy or intransigence. Their willingness to twist the results of honest researchers in support of their own media message is a poor reason to reject the research.

Also, what's your deal with trees? Did a tree once kick your dog?

Did you come home from school early one day and catch your mother in bed with a strapping young maple?

Cheers,


AetheLove

I would love to live in a jungle. Already kinda do, but the concrete is unforgiving.

Originally Posted by Alundil

Elderberry - scarred him for life

*laughing* My god the repressed memories are just bubbling to the surface...

"The research is far from conclusive," is my end game, no bullshit answer. People who claim it is tend to have an agenda. (People who claim it doesn't may ALSO have an agenda, but in this particular case while I disagree with the premise that the science is settled, my reasons for doing so include both self-interested opinions AND self-evident facts) Certain branches of science ARE fairly settled. Newtonian physics works in the macro world. Fine we get it. Mathematics hasn't changed much in the last several centuries either. We've added to it, but none of the basic functions have been demonstrated to be incorrect or inaccurate. THAT is settled science. Chemistry is settled science. You can APPLY settled sciences. We can use chemistry to make bombs and aspirin. We can use physics to predict ballistic behavior and combine that with math to make sure bullet drop in our video games is accurate; etc.

Cosmology and Climatology are FAR from settled sciences. When the meteorologists MAKE it rain instead of predict the rain with increasing but still questionable accuracy, then I'll rethink whether or not climate science is settled. Taking a system as complex as THE WORLD and telling me you have an accurate model for what will happen NEXT WEEK is something they can't do with more than generally acceptable accuracy. Telling me I have to eat my dog and ditch my truck, wear hemp clothes and go live on a commune to save the environment and have oxygen for our children to breathe going into the next generation is.... amusing. Perhaps an interesting thought. Certainly not an actionable one.

Welcome to the fanatical right wing deniers club Ceb!