Thread: Funny controversial things

Just watched the top 20 reasons creationists are wrong, and I gotta say #1 made some good points but #2 was grasping at straws. Original Hebrew had no vowels and so each word has multiple translations. Just like how eskimos have 93 words for snow, if one of them asks you to write snow you wont be able to tell what one he meant. So all of the translations are trying to take their best guess at what each word means. If you do study it you will find there are quite a few parts that are poorly translated but have become pretty mainstream in the media (Dont sleep with another man) and so no one is willing to accept the correct translation (Dont sleep with other men to prove your dominance instead of sleeping with women.) Since way back when women had no value or except to produce children guys would sleep with other guys to show they were stronger, since strength was everything.

Also his argument that the bible is wrong and contradictory, and lists all the atrocities committed on others focuses on the old testament with wrathful God, the new testament focuses on God forgiving all of the sins and saying its okay to fuck up. During that time there were very few educated people so I find my belief in the bible is that some parts of it are true, some parts were messed up in translation, some parts false, and some parts accidentally falsified due to the time of occurrence and the time of actually getting written down.

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

You don't think that nationalism can lead to disastrous effects? Have you read any 20th century history?

No what i think your thinking of is false patriotism.

And now the sabbath one, is this guy serious? Hes over simplifying the whole thing. Its not "Oh no matches, or cooking allowed!" its all work is forbidden. He focuses his entire argument on a god damn oven. (Taking the lords name in vain, I know). Why not make an argument that focuses on the whole instead of one part of it? He might as well mock Kosher eating and say " One little pulled pork sandwich would offend the allmighty! But you might as well have a rasher of bacon, a few porkchops, some pigshead stew and some blood sausages while your at it. Im sure god wont mind one little transgression!"

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

No what i think your thinking of is false patriotism.

Huh? How was the nationalism displayed by the Nazis "false?" How about that displayed by Japan in WWII false? Are you going to make a "no true Scotsman" argument?

Originally Posted by Langrad

And now the sabbath one, is this guy serious? Hes over simplifying the whole thing. Its not "Oh no matches, or cooking allowed!" its all work is forbidden. He focuses his entire argument on a god damn oven. (Taking the lords name in vain, I know). Why not make an argument that focuses on the whole instead of one part of it? He might as well mock Kosher eating and say " One little pulled pork sandwich would offend the allmighty! But you might as well have a rasher of bacon, a few porkchops, some pigshead stew and some blood sausages while your at it. Im sure god wont mind one little transgression!"

I think that the point is to mock the fact that, not only is it silly that this omnipotent being cares about your oven light, considering all else that is allowed to go on in the world, but that there are ways to "trick" this omnipotent being by using timers, delays and other gimmicks. The oven use as an example, they could have used the elevators that run all day in many conservative Jewish homes, so that people don't actually have to push a button to use the elevator, allowing them to utilize a technicality to subvert the rules - again, tricking this supposedly omnipotent being.

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

Huh? How was the nationalism displayed by the Nazis "false?" How about that displayed by Japan in WWII false? Are you going to make a "no true Scotsman" argument?

Im irish not scottish. There is a difference between what your talking about and what patriotism is. I patriot holds everything his country stands for at heart. A false patriot hide behind what his country stands for as an excuse for doing what he wishes.

As for military following orders your way off. Doing your job under guidelines for what you were told doesn't mean your knowingly doing wrong. Some people start off by doing what they thought was right and over time one little infraction leads to another to the point you end up with the nazi ss killing thousands mercilessly. Using hitler as an example is bad form on your part by the way because following hitlers will is not the same as following what the country of german stood for. Plenty of germans disagreed with hitler and were true patriots of germany.

I fail to see your example of japan. Then did what they thought would be the best way to keep us out of the war. Problem is it back fired and brought a nuetral nation into full fledged war with the stregth to fight on multiple fronts. Piss poor planning and 0 fore sight.

You don't have to be Scottish to use this fallacy. No true Scotsman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

Do you even read the posts that you respond to? Alundil brought up the Nazi example, not me - in fact, there were several posts between his and mine about the fact that he brought the Nazis into the discussion. Get your shit together before running your mouth.

If you're following orders that you believe in, then you're not "just following orders," if you follow orders that you find morally wrong, then you're putting your own self-interest above your ethical code, which is selfish. In either case, if you're talking about the crimes of Nazi Germany, then you either agree with killing innocents, or you don't agree with it, but do it to save your own hide. Neither case represents a "good" person.

Nationalism as a philosophy was developed in pre-20th century Germany and was one of the major reasons for both WWI and WWII. National Socialism was founded on Nationalism.



Japan's involvement in WWII was fueled mainly by nationalism, a sentiment that is extremely strong in Japan.

Lets get this straight right now fuck nuts. I respondd to your post and you used the nazi example to make your post dipshit. In either case your still wrong as far as the nazi example. They were following Hitlers orders not what the country stood for. Thats not patriotism thats a cult mentality.

Every been to Japan? Im guessing you haven't. Yes they believe in their country the same as we do here but they acknowledge what they did was wrong. Now quit talking out your ass because you dont know the difference between false patriotism and real patriotism.

I tried to be nice and discuss it and you went this route again so im done playing nice with you. Eat a dick.