Thread: Sorry but she should be gone.

Originally Posted by Toad

Even from the coldest perspective, keeping the kid here is a good public relations move for the USA, definitely much better than deporting her. The cost savings from deporting her would be worth less than the loss of face. Your heartlessness wouldn't help the USA, but rather hurt it. There's a lesson in there for you, but I suspect you won't find it.

It's funny because we've also spent money to take this kid from Kindergarten through Sophomore in high school, she probably knows English and Portuguese and has developed into a person as an American. We've put a lot of money getting this American citizen ready to be a productive member of society and now that she's getting close to making money on her own we deport her? It doesn't even make any sense. The USA has already sunk significant capital investment on her and is close to start getting returns on that investment, and you want to give that investment to Brazil? When she's also probably bilingual English/Portuguese (helpful combination given that Brazil is the largest economy in South America and a major growth nation in the next decade). Those are the kind of people that help us do business with Brazil, bring business from Brazil, form trade partnerships with Brazil, gather intelligence on Brazil... definite asset. To get rid of it NOW is just UnAmerican even if you're totally heartless.

It's funny how you're falling over yourself doing things that would actually hurt America for a number of reasons, but you're too ignorant and caught up in xenophobia to notice.

Originally Posted by Toad

It's funny because we've also spent money to take this kid from Kindergarten through Sophomore in high school, she probably knows English and Portuguese and has developed into a person as an American. We've put a lot of money getting this American citizen ready to be a productive member of society and now that she's getting close to making money on her own we deport her? It doesn't even make any sense. The USA has already sunk significant capital investment on her and is close to start getting returns on that investment, and you want to give that investment to Brazil? When she's also probably bilingual English/Portuguese (helpful combination given that Brazil is the largest economy in South America and a major growth nation in the next decade). That's just UnAmerican.

It's funny how you're falling over yourself doing things that would actually hurt America for a number of reasons, but you're too ignorant and caught up in xenophobia to notice.

Once again this girl is not special. She isnt the only bilingual illegal. She isnt the only kid put thru our schools. So why should she be treated as she is any different then every other illegal sent back across the border?


If you have read my posts then you already know im not a xenophobe. So ill ignore your little jab.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

What has every other kid thats been deported do to themselves, himself, herself... not their parents? As i said before the right thing to do would be FIX the law not bend them because you feel sympathy for one child. Thats not a logical decision. However it will most likely work out well for the government because it keeps the lemmings, yeah your one, quiet and content on what is wrong to begin with. You want to be here do it legally or, hold onto your hats, your kids might end up paying the price.

Thats the real world. Fall behind on your taxes as a legal citizen and the government will take what they see fit to. They dont take into consideration if your kids have to go hungry or without check ups or become homeless. Thats the real world. So why is this one case so special? Why are you not up in arms against the system that has those laws in place? Instead your in here trying, in a vain attempt, to make me feel bad about what is the legal right thing to do with total disregard to my message.

As for the majority of the country. They are lemming. They only care if it directly effects them or the media makes them think they should.

Yeah, because sympathy is so illogical. I'm not trying to make you feel anything. You call me a lemming, I call it being a human. By all means, keep going...all you're doing is proving that you're an even bigger jackass than you admit to.

I don't think the world has ever operated under rules that absolutely cannot be broken, bent, or circumvented. Why should this one case be any different? There are such things as extenuating circumstances. And I would say that the fact that she's already been here as long as she has, did not make a conscious choice to come here illegally, has no home to be deported back to, and the fact that her entire family just died would qualify for that. Maybe that's just my thoughts on it.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

So your answer is you have no real reason to treat her any different then every other kid other then you feel bad for her. Shit if thats how we are going to start enforcing laws and seperating people where should we put the people that dont get the sympathy? Should we put all of them on a bus because we're ok with pushing them out?

Makes perfect sense. Dont fix the problem just give me my impulse high. Yet im the one thats the jackass in your eyes. Lord forbid we treat everyone the same.

No reason?? Dude...she lost her entire immediate family. My God, everything is NOT black and white.

You ever heard of extenuating circumstances?

EDIT:
Sol already said it.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

You can feel that way but there are plenty of others that could fit that same bill yet did not recieve the same treatment. I remember a story not to long ago about a couple vietnam war vets that were being deported. So they fought for us, lived here twice as long as this girl has been alive, and im fairly certain buried their fair share of friends and family. Why did they not recieve this special treatment?

There's a whole web site deicated to military vets being deported. They've been hurt fighting for this country and dont recieve such treatment.

Donations,* US military Veterans facing deportation Banished Veterans

All you're doing with that link is further proving that the law you keep defending ...is bullshit. If you serve this country, you should be granted citizenship.

As for this girl, by all means deport her back to a country where she has no one. I'm sure nothing bad will happen to her, right?

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As night falls, the sex tourist's playground in Recife, in the state of Pernambuco, comes alive. Prostitutes mingle with tourists, dancing at their sides and eyeing up potential business. The legal age for prostitution is 18, but many look much younger.
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Taxi drivers work with the girls who are too young to get into the bars. One offers me two for the price of one and a lift to a local motel.

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Neither has made any attempt to disguise their age. One clings to a bright pink Barbie bag, and they hold each other's hands looking terrified at the possibility of potential custom.

Recife's red-light area is now crammed with cars slowly crawling past groups of girls parading their bodies.

One of them, Pia, is dressed in a cropped pink top and mini skirt. The 13-year-old agrees to speak to me about her life as a child prostitute. She explains that she works from the same street corner every night until dawn to fund her and her mother's crack cocaine habit.

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Entire streets are now cleared of prostitution - my aim is to intensify these raids in time for the World Cup”

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For safety, Pia works with a group of older girls who act as pimps, taking care of the money and watching over the younger ones.

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Pia first started working as a prostitute at the age of seven, and Unicef estimates there are 250,000 child prostitutes like her in Brazil.

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