Thread: Tax Credit deal financed on the backs of mortgage holders

Originally Posted by Fovezer

I'm not just for replacing the whole system to level the playing field, but I don't think the current system is very representative. It's an archaic system that has lived long past its expiration date. It needs to be replaced to make it more representative. The Senate is the biggest fucking joke in this country.

I do agree that elections should be publicly-funded, though, and that would help a lot. But not completely. PAC's and Super PAC's for candidates have to be banned and equal time for all candidates has to be mandated. Until we do that, nothing will change.

I agree with most of what you said but you still dont have to replace the system to add more seats. We may want to wait until were out of the recession though. The government spends way to much money on upgrading and constructing buildings.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I agree with most of what you said but you still dont have to replace the system to add more seats. We may want to wait until were out of the recession though. The government spends way to much money on upgrading and constructing buildings.

To add more seats, no we don't, I agree. But again, I feel that is just a bandaid and I don't know if just adding seats will fix a lot. I want proportional representation because I believe that gives a better chance to get more parties involved and give the government a more representative feel. It also gets rid of that "voting for the lesser of two evils" problem. Either that, or start having run-off elections.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

To add more seats, no we don't, I agree. But again, I feel that is just a bandaid and I don't know if just adding seats will fix a lot. I want proportional representation because I believe that gives a better chance to get more parties involved and give the government a more representative feel. It also gets rid of that "voting for the lesser of two evils" problem. Either that, or start having run-off elections.

I just dont see your plan working like you think or hope it will. Unless we get people that give a shit and by that i mean people that actually feel what is done due to not being rich you will never have a government thats in touch with the population much less one that isnt corrupt. A law banning all types of lobbying will have the same effect in my opinion. Sure you might stem some of it but your not going to get rid of it all.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I just dont see your plan working like you think or hope it will. Unless we get people that give a shit and by that i mean people that actually feel what is done due to not being rich you will never have a government thats in touch with the population much less one that isnt corrupt.

I feel it will work. It's time for a massive shakeup. Out with the old, in with the new. You are always complaining about our system, yet you want to keep it and just make minor changes? I don't think that will do anything to fix anything you complain about. Nothing.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

A law banning all types of lobbying will have the same effect in my opinion. Sure you might stem some of it but your not going to get rid of it all.

I don't want to ban all lobbying, though, because people should have the right to lobby their Congresscritters. I do want to ban the money and corporations from lobbying, however. You should not be allowed to receive money from lobbying groups. That I can support.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

I feel it will work. It's time for a massive shakeup. Out with the old, in with the new. You are always complaining about our system, yet you want to keep it and just make minor changes? I don't think that will do anything to fix anything you complain about. Nothing.



I don't want to ban all lobbying, though, because people should have the right to lobby their Congresscritters. I do want to ban the money and corporations from lobbying, however. You should not be allowed to receive money from lobbying groups. That I can support.

I do whole heartly agree its time for a massive shake up. I just think we're on oposite sides of the fence for what to do. Of course this is my opinion but our government system could and should work perfectly just as it is. It's made us the strongest nation on the planet with just over 230 years behind us. Thats centuries behind many. In all honesty we have one single issue. Corruption. Seems to me we can fix that relatively easy but it takes the people getting involved. Without that your idea nor mine will ever work.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I do whole heartly agree its time for a massive shake up. I just think we're on oposite sides of the fence for what to do. Of course this is my opinion but our government system could and should work perfectly just as it is. It's made us the strongest nation on the planet with just over 230 years behind us. Thats centuries behind many. In all honesty we have one single issue. Corruption. Seems to me we can fix that relatively easy but it takes the people getting involved. Without that your idea nor mine will ever work.

We do both agree about the corruption issue, however I take it much further than just the corruption issue because I feel the government has become unrepresentative in its current form. Yes, this system may have worked for a long time, but times change. Things are not the same as they were 230 years ago. Everything is watched far more closely and every little thing has become a political game. With our archaic system, it means nothing very productive gets done and it takes forever when we do manage to get something done. And I want a system where I can not only realistically vote for someone I actually want to win instead of voting against who I want to lose, but I want my vote to count even if my representative is someone I didn't vote for. That's why I support something like party-list proportional representation.

Originally Posted by Fovezer

To add more seats, no we don't, I agree. But again, I feel that is just a bandaid and I don't know if just adding seats will fix a lot. I want proportional representation because I believe that gives a better chance to get more parties involved and give the government a more representative feel. It also gets rid of that "voting for the lesser of two evils" problem. Either that, or start having run-off elections.

Isn't there a possibility that we trade away voting for "the lesser of two evils" to voting for the lesser of three, four, or five evils? What if the problem isn't with how many parties there are, but with the nature of political parties themselves?

Even in the case where we have at least one non-evil choice, how do you get around Arrow's impossibility theorem?

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AetheLove

All I know is that no matter what I do I still have to give more this time of year. It is the season for giving I suppose. cant wait until April the 14th. May file an extension this year just for good measure.