Thread: Obama is kicking ass!

Originally Posted by ~BigTymer~

50% of people pay no taxes, and I'm speaking of sales tax. Do your homework. Instead of hiking taxes up, how bout making sure everyone is paying. This country has become dependent just like Europe did. It back fired and if you have not seen this country in decline then your a fucking idiot.

To be painfully honest, you have no clue what you are talking about. None. First, there are reasons why 46% of the people pay zero federal income taxes. Half of those people do not even earn enough to pay! If your tax exemptions outweigh your tax liability, you owe nothing. You can't squeeze blood from a stone. Three-fourths of the remaining people are either senior citizens or low income families with children. Those right there account for about 88% of the 46% who pay nothing.

If you want to increase the number of people who have to pay taxes, start advocating for removing tax credits. Oh, and who doubled they Earned Income Tax Credit and the Child Credit, thereby adding more people into that nonpaying category? Bush with his stupid tax cuts in 2001. But guess what? Even if you repealed all tax credits and tax exemptions except the most basic ones, half of those who don't pay taxes now still wouldn't. So follow your own advice and do some homework.

And what did Europe become "dependent" on? That makes no sense.

Sources:
Who pays no income taxes? | Tax Break
Why Some Tax Units Pay No Income Tax

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

Soy i couldn't just let this ride
1. In January of '09 gas prices were $1.84 on a national average. Today they are $3.75 on average nationally. I remember when liberals were calling for Bush to be impeached because gas hit $3 bucks a gallon, now they are completely ignoring.

What? Sooo not true. Most liberals I am close to think gas prices should be high; like the rest of the world pays. It would force us to consider other energy sources; further we would not be tied down to the Saudis with our ridiculous oil trade agreements and subsidies.

How does forcing every american to make multibillionaires out of oil tycoons force us to consider other energy sources? I mean seriously how do you figure that is going to work? Its been up for years now so where is my personal windmill? Wheres my cold fusion? Where is our synthetic forms of every other petro product?

High energy costs (including petroleum products) have forced almost every other major power to have very different lifestyles than Americans. They innovate new technology to make lifestyles better while saving energy. The citizens of most other major powers are mindful of their energy consumption, and were raised as such, because it is costly to use lots of energy. We pay a fraction for the ability to drive cars around; and it shows.

Our cars are different, our washing machines are different, our laundry habits, food choices, etc. are all tied to energy costs. If Americans had to pay two to three times what we do now for gas we would either have to change our lifestyles, or change the way we maintain our lifestyles (read innovate new energy sources). Given a choice of driving less, doing laundry less, eating less food etc. or developing new badass technology, where do you think America should sit?

Further we are making a few people (lobbyists, oil tycoons and the Saudi royal family) extremely wealthy while doing serious damage to our atmosphere. We can be better monkeys than that shit...

2. National Debt was $10.626 trillion the day he was inaugurated. Now it is $14.639 trillion. Fastest increase by any president EVER.

The economy was falling apart when he took office. A lot of that debt is due to things that occurred just before his presidency. A lot of that debt has helped to rebuild America from the Bush administrations wreckage.

Im sure Obama loves your input but it isn't reality. Sure some of it belongs to Bush but nothing forced Obamas hand in continueing what Bush started. Then you still have all the other crap Obama has done. This is just a cop out for taken responcibilty. He refuses to own his own garbage.

I certainly wish he would have acted faster and with more ferocity in many cases, as has been stated. But I think the nature of the party of choice makes a slower response to opposition so he was not forceful enough about ending the wars, saying no to big business and lobbyists (& reacting to an economic meltdown (but that last one is hard, like reacting to 911 or something, which was a hard time for Bush i imagine). But I am not sure exactly what he has done that is bad or problematic besides not doing enough. Seems to me whoever inherited that was going to spend a lot of money.

During the elections I figured whether dem or rep (or ___ if pigs should fly) the new pres. would only make one term because of the flaming crater left behind to put out and fill in. Frankly I think Obama, and my party got very lucky with republicans losing cohesion right at this time. Makes me wonder if a foul plot is afoot...

3. Unemployment rate is down, but who knows what to really think about that.

See answer to number 2. Stimulus is working here in Oregon I can tell you that.

I dont live in Oregon but i can tell you it isnt working in florida. Hes been playing a shell game with the numbers the whole time so i dont have a whole lot of faith in his reports.


Oregon has always had unusually high unemployment compared to the national averages; so it may be our social programs were more capable of dealing with new intake. I am not sure about Florida, but using stimulus money comes down to the state. Maybe Florida did not use the money as well, or is not able to? Can't say much about that, but our city runs pretty tight: Biofuel bus and city vehicle fleet on all new infrastructure. Lots of new local businesses in many neighborhoods across the city.

4. Everything is still the last guys fault and he has yet to take responsibility for anything. After nearly 4 years in office it is no longer what was left to you, it is yours and yours alone.

Recovering from the Bush administration's failures and wars is a lot to recover from. We are doing pretty damn good all things considered.

How do you figure?

Kinda my response to #2 above. Maybe my language here is forceful, but there was a lot of stuff broken when he bought the house.

5. He forced through an unpopular "Healthcare Reform" bill that when its all said and done has pretty much made it a law requiring Americans to have health insurance.

Thats not true; do some research. I am uninsured; no law forces me to be insured. Further there is no public option. The health care bill was only unpopular with the left because everything it was supposed to be was gutted by the right in order to pass it. Forced? puh-lease, the reason the bill is watered down to the point of not doing what we wanted is because he did not force it through.

That bill also helped to bring federal loans back to the fed; saving many students a lot of money (they don't have anyway ... part of the original problem). That bill was full of things and not one of them makes the requirement you complained about. I wish he had forced the original through.


How do you figure its not true? Last i knew the fine for not having coverage is still waiting for a court date.

Well simply put it was not forced through; it was watered down and eventually got passed. Also, you are not required to have insurance, you simply pay a tax penalty for being uninsured. That makes sense to me because we already pay for uninsured people with our taxes when they go to the ER or whatever. In theory this should free up a bit of tax money too (not so sure that will see much effect however). Further, there are many conditions that would exempt various people: I would be exempt for example. Personally I believe it should have been forced through pre-dissolution; I am a pure-public-option kind of guy.

Still say hes going to get reelected because the Repubs are too busy fighting with each other and trying to destroy their fellow "conservatives" all the while maintaining we are trying to do what's best for the party. 4 more years of hand outs coming your way.

Thank whatever powers that be for the chaos on the right; we need to take this opportunity to get our democracy back on track: Taking care of the people, and not a few people's opinions or wallets. I am a working man and I vote for those who are protecting the people.

I dont think i could disagree with you any more then i currently do. At what point in time does the new captain take responcibilty for the ship he wrecked? Or do we continue to blame the last one until a new takes over and blames this one?

Originally Posted by ~BigTymer~

I edit that for you as I missed a word in that sentence. I didn't say lower taxes made jobs but higher taxes don't help either.

However you try to say it, it's wrong. Tax rates aren't inversely correlated to job growth.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...Z1oH_blog.html

If I own a company and I have to pay higher taxes I will cut job to make sure I am still making the same amount.

Explain it however you like, the data disagrees.

As far as Grammar errors...lol I guess I rather spell a few words wrong than be a dip shit democrat. Common sense goes a long way, don't have to be book smart to have any :P

And that's your right, but your insults to my intelligence would carry more impact if they weren't poorly written.

Originally Posted by raymod2

They are human beings and some of them may not be guilty of anything at all. And you are wrong. Our laws apply to everyone inside our borders whether they are citizens or not. Again, that is the whole point of Guantanamo Bay - to circumvent our own laws by holding our prisoners outside our borders.

This is incorrect in every manner. POW's have different rules regardless of where they are kept. Next i guess you should know every spec of land we have outside our borders are governed by our law not the host country. Once you step outside the fence you fall subject to whatever laws are where your at.

Originally Posted by ~BigTymer~

intelligence? so how much intelligence does it take for someone as smart as your self to debate politics on a gaming forum? Seems if I was intelligent as you are I could find something else to do with it. I am not trying to insult you on purpose. The insult is following democrats the held the whitehouse and congress for a good while and did nothing but make things worse. As far as unemployment. 33,000 people a week run out of unemployment and when the unemployment numbers come out it doesn't reflect that.

The numbers that I posted weren't about unemployment, they were about job growth. Low taxes don't create jobs. High taxes don't slow job creation.

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

The numbers that I posted weren't about unemployment, they were about job growth. Low taxes don't create jobs. High taxes don't slow job creation.

The job growth your reffering to does not replect people that run out of employment. Yet those number get piled into the group with growth. Thats big's point.