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02-29-12, 04:53 PM #71
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I am pretty sure driver's insurance is required because it is very possible to cause destruction or accidentally kill someone. It is even possible to murder someone. Not to mention that you don't have to drive. Mandating health insurance doesn't work out well. Many people will still get it for free and now.. others would be forced to pay.
Forcing the bill of 2131251231 pages of shit down our throats is one of the worst things I've seen happen in my life time watching politics. This could go on forever.
Bush and Obama did stimulus and both of them were wrong. GM would have made it out in the end. We can't have the government doing this for anyone. It is our money they are spending and now we got to pay it back, just for a car company making bad decisions.
The military killed Osama bin Laden. Of course now Obama can get credit for it, but he honestly can't do much if he wanted to. He isn't the one getting the intel and definitely not the one with the strategy. I heard and I could be wrong, that they knew the general area of where he was for almost two years and rehearsed the operation for months.
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02-29-12, 04:54 PM #72
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Soy i couldn't just let this ride
1. In January of '09 gas prices were $1.84 on a national average. Today they are $3.75 on average nationally. I remember when liberals were calling for Bush to be impeached because gas hit $3 bucks a gallon, now they are completely ignoring.
What? Sooo not true. Most liberals I am close to think gas prices should be high; like the rest of the world pays. It would force us to consider other energy sources; further we would not be tied down to the Saudis with our ridiculous oil trade agreements and subsidies.
How does forcing every american to make multibillionaires out of oil tycoons force us to consider other energy sources? I mean seriously how do you figure that is going to work? Its been up for years now so where is my personal windmill? Wheres my cold fusion? Where is our synthetic forms of every other petro product?
2. National Debt was $10.626 trillion the day he was inaugurated. Now it is $14.639 trillion. Fastest increase by any president EVER.
The economy was falling apart when he took office. A lot of that debt is due to things that occurred just before his presidency. A lot of that debt has helped to rebuild America from the Bush administrations wreckage.
Im sure Obama loves your input but it isn't reality. Sure some of it belongs to Bush but nothing forced Obamas hand in continueing what Bush started. Then you still have all the other crap Obama has done. This is just a cop out for taken responcibilty. He refuses to own his own garbage.
3. Unemployment rate is down, but who knows what to really think about that.
See answer to number 2. Stimulus is working here in Oregon I can tell you that.
I dont live in Oregon but i can tell you it isnt working in florida. Hes been playing a shell game with the numbers the whole time so i dont have a whole lot of faith in his reports.
4. Everything is still the last guys fault and he has yet to take responsibility for anything. After nearly 4 years in office it is no longer what was left to you, it is yours and yours alone.
Recovering from the Bush administration's failures and wars is a lot to recover from. We are doing pretty damn good all things considered.
How do you figure?
5. He forced through an unpopular "Healthcare Reform" bill that when its all said and done has pretty much made it a law requiring Americans to have health insurance.
Thats not true; do some research. I am uninsured; no law forces me to be insured. Further there is no public option. The health care bill was only unpopular with the left because everything it was supposed to be was gutted by the right in order to pass it. Forced? puh-lease, the reason the bill is watered down to the point of not doing what we wanted is because he did not force it through.
That bill also helped to bring federal loans back to the fed; saving many students a lot of money (they don't have anyway ... part of the original problem). That bill was full of things and not one of them makes the requirement you complained about. I wish he had forced the original through.
How do you figure its not true? Last i knew the fine for not having coverage is still waiting for a court date.
Still say hes going to get reelected because the Repubs are too busy fighting with each other and trying to destroy their fellow "conservatives" all the while maintaining we are trying to do what's best for the party. 4 more years of hand outs coming your way.
Thank whatever powers that be for the chaos on the right; we need to take this opportunity to get our democracy back on track: Taking care of the people, and not a few people's opinions or wallets. I am a working man and I vote for those who are protecting the people.
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02-29-12, 05:03 PM #73
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02-29-12, 05:10 PM #74
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Yeah but FDR was financing the war for the allies before we even entered. Then we fought WORLD WAR 2. Thats still a pretty big difference between what he did versus what Obama did. Just the number for the amount kia speaks volumes of how they do not compare. WW2 kia over 404000. Number of troops sent to iraq and afganistan at any given time was about 15000 at our peak. So he had over twice as many deaths as we had in both wars with less then half the time.
Its not a fair compairison at all.
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02-29-12, 05:18 PM #76
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02-29-12, 05:58 PM #79
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The difference is that prisoners on US soil will have the right to a speedy trial, habeas corpus, etc. That is the whole point. We (the US) claim to hold ourselves to higher standards regarding human rights and justice. Then we play this game with Guantanamo Bay to circumvent our own laws.
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