Thread: Obama is kicking ass!

Originally Posted by Toker

Oh, wait, sorry...I misspelled "built a $750,000 soccer field".

Guantanamo prisoners get new, larger soccer field - World news - Americas - Focus on Cuba - msnbc.com

I get the feeling there is going to be a sudden increase of Brazilian, Argentine, and Spanish terrorist now, and the U.S. or England will win the 2014 World Cup for no reason at all......

By the way, what is it with the right have very little respect for the president? I'm not talking about disagreeing, but I see quite a few people call President Obama (or Obama) Barry. As much as liberals hated Bush, I never saw anyone call him Georgy (Duyba was one, which isn't respectful either, same as Hussein, but because both sides did it for the ones they didn't like, can't talk as much about that).

Or did I miss when we called people we don't know/barely know as well as presidents, by their highschool (or earlier) nicknames?

Originally Posted by DuDDy

So Bush caused Obama to spend nearly a trillion dollars on a stimulus package that is still up in the air if it really worked. Hrm I see how you liberals work now. Blame the other guy if something goes wrong, and take all the credit if something goes right even if it wasnt your doing. Wow if I did this at my job I would get fired instantly.

OH yes, because the right doesn't do that at all, no its only liberals who do that *rolls eyes*. Oh wait, that is right, the Rights response is to take all the credit if something goes right and their guy did nothing, and create a fictional world where none of what they did bad happened or it was all the fault of Liberural Socialistz!!!

Also, maybe I've missed it, but I haven't heard any "up in the air" on the stimulus package. Everything I've read is the belief that it helped, but it wasn't enough to fully work. Partly because the thought was the economy was in better shape then it really was at the time.

TARP (for the banks) was meant to help to unfreeze the credit market. When banks are being tight about loaning out money, it can have a massive effect on small business (as there are a good many that use short term loans to pay employees). The problem was it obviously wasn't regulated, and thus the banks used the money instead to buy up more bad debt and still kept the credit market pretty frozen. As shocking as it may be that regulated something could actually help. Why it wasn't regulated when the same thing basically happened in Japan a decade early, I have no idea.

And I firmly believe just letting the banks fall under the weight of their bad debts would of been a terrible idea. Nothing inspires consumer confidence (which affects consumer spending and thus jobs) like banks failing all over the place.

Higher Taxes, Less Jobs, Taking your money and giving it to someone else. Government telling you what and what not to purchase. He said himself he wants us to be more like Europe. Last time I checked Europe wasn't doing so well. So kicking ass? WHAT YOU MEANT WAS ...............Obama Sucking Dick As Usual

Soy i couldn't just let this ride
1. In January of '09 gas prices were $1.84 on a national average. Today they are $3.75 on average nationally. I remember when liberals were calling for Bush to be impeached because gas hit $3 bucks a gallon, now they are completely ignoring.

What? Sooo not true. Most liberals I am close to think gas prices should be high; like the rest of the world pays. It would force us to consider other energy sources; further we would not be tied down to the Saudis with our ridiculous oil trade agreements and subsidies.

How does forcing every american to make multibillionaires out of oil tycoons force us to consider other energy sources? I mean seriously how do you figure that is going to work? Its been up for years now so where is my personal windmill? Wheres my cold fusion? Where is our synthetic forms of every other petro product?

High energy costs (including petroleum products) have forced almost every other major power to have very different lifestyles than Americans. They innovate new technology to make lifestyles better while saving energy. The citizens of most other major powers are mindful of their energy consumption, and were raised as such, because it is costly to use lots of energy. We pay a fraction for the ability to drive cars around; and it shows.

Our cars are different, our washing machines are different, our laundry habits, food choices, etc. are all tied to energy costs. If Americans had to pay two to three times what we do now for gas we would either have to change our lifestyles, or change the way we maintain our lifestyles (read innovate new energy sources). Given a choice of driving less, doing laundry less, eating less food etc. or developing new badass technology, where do you think America should sit?

Further we are making a few people (lobbyists, oil tycoons and the Saudi royal family) extremely wealthy while doing serious damage to our atmosphere. We can be better monkeys than that shit...

2. National Debt was $10.626 trillion the day he was inaugurated. Now it is $14.639 trillion. Fastest increase by any president EVER.

The economy was falling apart when he took office. A lot of that debt is due to things that occurred just before his presidency. A lot of that debt has helped to rebuild America from the Bush administrations wreckage.

Im sure Obama loves your input but it isn't reality. Sure some of it belongs to Bush but nothing forced Obamas hand in continueing what Bush started. Then you still have all the other crap Obama has done. This is just a cop out for taken responcibilty. He refuses to own his own garbage.

I certainly wish he would have acted faster and with more ferocity in many cases, as has been stated. But I think the nature of the party of choice makes a slower response to opposition so he was not forceful enough about ending the wars, saying no to big business and lobbyists (& reacting to an economic meltdown (but that last one is hard, like reacting to 911 or something, which was a hard time for Bush i imagine). But I am not sure exactly what he has done that is bad or problematic besides not doing enough. Seems to me whoever inherited that was going to spend a lot of money.

During the elections I figured whether dem or rep (or ___ if pigs should fly) the new pres. would only make one term because of the flaming crater left behind to put out and fill in. Frankly I think Obama, and my party got very lucky with republicans losing cohesion right at this time. Makes me wonder if a foul plot is afoot...

3. Unemployment rate is down, but who knows what to really think about that.

See answer to number 2. Stimulus is working here in Oregon I can tell you that.

I dont live in Oregon but i can tell you it isnt working in florida. Hes been playing a shell game with the numbers the whole time so i dont have a whole lot of faith in his reports.


Oregon has always had unusually high unemployment compared to the national averages; so it may be our social programs were more capable of dealing with new intake. I am not sure about Florida, but using stimulus money comes down to the state. Maybe Florida did not use the money as well, or is not able to? Can't say much about that, but our city runs pretty tight: Biofuel bus and city vehicle fleet on all new infrastructure. Lots of new local businesses in many neighborhoods across the city.

4. Everything is still the last guys fault and he has yet to take responsibility for anything. After nearly 4 years in office it is no longer what was left to you, it is yours and yours alone.

Recovering from the Bush administration's failures and wars is a lot to recover from. We are doing pretty damn good all things considered.

How do you figure?

Kinda my response to #2 above. Maybe my language here is forceful, but there was a lot of stuff broken when he bought the house.

5. He forced through an unpopular "Healthcare Reform" bill that when its all said and done has pretty much made it a law requiring Americans to have health insurance.

Thats not true; do some research. I am uninsured; no law forces me to be insured. Further there is no public option. The health care bill was only unpopular with the left because everything it was supposed to be was gutted by the right in order to pass it. Forced? puh-lease, the reason the bill is watered down to the point of not doing what we wanted is because he did not force it through.

That bill also helped to bring federal loans back to the fed; saving many students a lot of money (they don't have anyway ... part of the original problem). That bill was full of things and not one of them makes the requirement you complained about. I wish he had forced the original through.


How do you figure its not true? Last i knew the fine for not having coverage is still waiting for a court date.

Well simply put it was not forced through; it was watered down and eventually got passed. Also, you are not required to have insurance, you simply pay a tax penalty for being uninsured. That makes sense to me because we already pay for uninsured people with our taxes when they go to the ER or whatever. In theory this should free up a bit of tax money too (not so sure that will see much effect however). Further, there are many conditions that would exempt various people: I would be exempt for example. Personally I believe it should have been forced through pre-dissolution; I am a pure-public-option kind of guy.

Still say hes going to get reelected because the Repubs are too busy fighting with each other and trying to destroy their fellow "conservatives" all the while maintaining we are trying to do what's best for the party. 4 more years of hand outs coming your way.

Thank whatever powers that be for the chaos on the right; we need to take this opportunity to get our democracy back on track: Taking care of the people, and not a few people's opinions or wallets. I am a working man and I vote for those who are protecting the people.