Rush has done the impossible

**deathgodusmc** · 03-05-12, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

Let's see...see marginally decrease in profits...or lose 50% of their customers...I wonder which would make them lose more money. Let me go to Wolphram Alpha real quick...crap...need to write a custom program in MATLab or maybe mathematica...no C++ would be best. Let's see pray to my god Feynman and his demigod Fermi....ok...I finished the calculations. Losing a little bit of profit still comes nowhere near losing 50% at the least of their profits although in reality it will be more since families get insurance for the whole family and women typically use more medications (higher rates of depression for one). Whew, that was intense. I haven't done maths like that since...kindergarten.

Not that i disagreee with your thoughts on this but companies dont think that way. Pick any company you want and your going to find the exact opposite of what actually makes financial sense.

**DJ Ms. White** · 03-05-12, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Not every one can get a loan, scholarship, interernship, or work study program. There are set limits and requirements to every one of those items.

You kidding me? Nowadays, those requirements are pretty low. The CAPs scholarship in Louisiana, which covers a fair bit and every resident of LA is automatically qualified for if they or a parent has lived there for at least a few years, only requires a 2.5 GPA. My out of state scholarship only requires a 2.5 GPA. My FULL RIDE only required a 3.0 GPA and a 1200 on the SAT for crying out loud (although I know plenty of people who got it for entering into specific programs or for being more than x miles away from LA). Loans don't require too great of a credit rating and only an annual income of 10k a year for private loans. Hell, if you don't make that much, you can always have ANYONE YOU KNOW underwrite the loan for you. Paperwork is easy. Fed loans are even easier to get and the paperwork takes literally 10 minutes to fill out and is free to do. Internships, in my experience, are less about GPA and more about if you know how to apply your knowledge and your work attitude. Work study programs are ridiculously easy to get into as well. Maybe things were more difficult when you were doing college before you decided to get into flooring (I don't blame you given the pay), but nowadays, it's easy. There are also scholarships for anything. There's probably a scholarship for being a devil's advocate.

Then, there's also the military. They give out a shit ton of aide to people who sign up, and most of the time, you can easily work it so you don't go anywhere...dangerous, like the middle east or to Honduras where there are rabid donkeys...and terrorists who have assassinated members of my family. Bottom line is that the majority of students receive some type of aide and aren't rich snobby fucks begging for a handout they don't need.

**DJ Ms. White** · 03-05-12, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Not that i disagreee with your thoughts on this but companies dont think that way. Pick any company you want and your going to find the exact opposite of what actually makes financial sense.

Not really. Bottom line for med companies especially is profit. You tell them they'll lose 50% profit, like hell they'll go for the marginal loss. Their accountants and economists would be screaming at them like howler monkeys on periods. Of course, I may not know what I'm talking about. I only took business and econ class that were senior level college ones in highschool from a previous vicepresident of a fortune 500 company. /streetcred It's also not like my family isn't in the business of taking over failing companies and turning them into highly profitable ones...well...I lied...they are in that business and they're very good at it.

**DJ Ms. White** · 03-05-12, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

His character most certainly dictates whether anything he says is worthy of listening to. Personally i agree with his statement but you brought him into it. So once again its well within reason for bigtymer to point out his history.

You might be right. Just like why should we listen to a man who has shown he knows nothing about a subject, says women shouldn't be sluts while having no problem parading them around as such in pretty much every avatar and sig he's used, and who also has no problem being a slut himself (I assume all of those women he bragged about banging didn't pay him into anything). Of course, one of them, MM, told a joke. A very obvious joke. Haha. Funny or not. This joke was not presented as evidence but as a joke. On the other hand, we have a man very seriously "debating" whether a woman whose friend needs help paying for medicine to keep herself alive is a slut or not. I have a feeling he's being serious and not telling a joke.

**deathgodusmc** · 03-05-12, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

You kidding me? Nowadays, those requirements are pretty low. The CAPs scholarship in Louisiana, which covers a fair bit and every resident of LA is automatically qualified for if they or a parent has lived there for at least a few years, only requires a 2.5 GPA. My out of state scholarship only requires a 2.5 GPA. My FULL RIDE only required a 3.0 GPA and a 1200 on the SAT for crying out loud (although I know plenty of people who got it for entering into specific programs or for being more than x miles away from LA). Loans don't require too great of a credit rating and only an annual income of 10k a year for private loans. Hell, if you don't make that much, you can always have ANYONE YOU KNOW underwrite the loan for you. Paperwork is easy. Fed loans are even easier to get and the paperwork takes literally 10 minutes to fill out and is free to do. Internships, in my experience, are less about GPA and more about if you know how to apply your knowledge and your work attitude. Work study programs are ridiculously easy to get into as well. Maybe things were more difficult when you were doing college before you decided to get into flooring (I don't blame you given the pay), but nowadays, it's easy. There are also scholarships for anything. There's probably a scholarship for being a devil's advocate.

Then, there's also the military. They give out a shit ton of aide to people who sign up, and most of the time, you can easily work it so you don't go anywhere...dangerous, like the middle east or to Honduras where there are rabid donkeys...and terrorists who have assassinated members of my family. Bottom line is that the majority of students receive some type of aide and aren't rich snobby fucks begging for a handout they don't need.

For the most part i agree with what your saying but heres the problem. You used this as a justification of why a female couldnt afford meds to save her i believe it was ovary. Thats all well and good if you have the time to go thru college and find a job before you have the issue she had. Life however very seldom turns out to be convienant for most people. How many elderly people are there right now that struggle to get their needed meds? How many bypass certain meds simply because they can not afford them as well as eat?

Not that i think you dont have a point but we are talking about a country with 312 million people. There simply is not enough aid to go around and not everyone gets the chances others get. I dont know this lady nor do i care to but its completely fesable that her and many like her are forced to make shitty decisions every day.

**DJ Ms. White** · 03-05-12, 09:11 PM

I know, but when you have a disease that affects and will always affect 50% of your population, you can't just do nothing. I don't know. It just seems stupid to me that we have our priorities mixed up. Women can get boob jobs covered. Little kids who are being just little kids get their meds for their "ADD" covered. Fuck. I can go to my first psychiatrist and literally say, "I want to be able to study for 4 nights in a row and not feel any emotion at all. Hook me up." He will (a lot of psychiatrists will actually...yeah greed), and my insurance company will cover it. I know this because half of the meds I was on at first for purely so I would be juicing for my classes. I was literally prescribed the exact same medicine that they give to the air force pilots who go on 48 hour missions...so I could study for days in a row...my insurance company covered this without putting up a fuss. Yet, despite that bullshit, they won't cover something that women between puberty and about the age of 50 need to function normally for a significant portion of every month. It's fucked up. It's fucked up because of the damn corrupt politicians who suck the cock of the lobbyists who are taking it in the ass from the med companies.

Where is the logic in being able to get a med I don't need, when someone else can't get something they need desperately. It enrages me if you couldn't tell. My family is at least lucky in that we can afford insurance companies that do provide this.

That being said, a majority of insurance companies already do provide said coverage even among catholic and other institutions. It is only a handful that do not. This type of coverage isn't going to break the bank. The economy is largely already bearing the burden. This is only an issue because it's election time. Plain and simple.

And now I've got Rachel Maddow on the brain since she explained it so well. That, and I find her quite attractive. Intelligence is a sexy thing. She also doesn't look half bad. I think she's gay though so nothing would ever happen, not that it would even if she was straight.

**deathgodusmc** · 03-05-12, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

I know, but when you have a disease that affects and will always affect 50% of your population, you can't just do nothing. I don't know. It just seems stupid to me that we have our priorities mixed up. Women can get boob jobs covered. Little kids who are being just little kids get their meds for their "ADD" covered. Fuck. I can go to my first psychiatrist and literally say, "I want to be able to study for 4 nights in a row and not feel any emotion at all. Hook me up." He will (a lot of psychiatrists will actually...yeah greed), and my insurance company will cover it. I know this because half of the meds I was on at first for purely so I would be juicing for my classes. I was literally prescribed the exact same medicine that they give to the air force pilots who go on 48 hour missions...so I could study for days in a row...my insurance company covered this without putting up a fuss. Yet, despite that bullshit, they won't cover something that women between puberty and about the age of 50 need to function normally for a significant portion of every month. It's fucked up. It's fucked up because of the damn corrupt politicians who suck the cock of the lobbyists who are taking it in the ass from the med companies.

Where is the logic in being able to get a med I don't need, when someone else can't get something they need desperately. It enrages me if you couldn't tell. My family is at least lucky in that we can afford insurance companies that do provide this.

That being said, a majority of insurance companies already do provide said coverage even among catholic and other institutions. It is only a handful that do not. This type of coverage isn't going to break the bank. The economy is largely already bearing the burden. This is only an issue because it's election time. Plain and simple.

And now I've got Rachel Maddow on the brain since she explained it so well. That, and I find her quite attractive. Intelligence is a sexy thing. She also doesn't look half bad. I think she's gay though so nothing would ever happen, not that it would even if she was straight.

Prime example of corp greed and how it fails to your thoughts earlier. If you have diabetes or a heart problem the meds are expensive as hell but if you need a 4 hour erection no problem we have some samples for you. The more severe the issue the more expensive the drugs. The reason being is they know opting not to buy isnt really an option. If you ask me they got that shit completely backwards just as they have with many other medical related shit.

**Red_Lizard2** · 03-05-12, 11:12 PM

People do realize that paying for it means:

10,000 policy holders: .30 cents per women taking BC
100,000 holders: .03 cents per women
1,000,000 holders: .003 cents per women

Further insurance is basically like a big pool, they take your money every month and throw it into the pool to cover whatever costs come up for everyone who has paid into the pool. the average contribution of a family of 4 (employer and employee combined) is around 15,000 dollars. 3,000 of 15,000 is 20% of that 15,000. If you had a 1000 women, in a family of 4, taking birth control then they are putting in 3,750,000 and taking out 3,000,000.

Now, lets say they are using the birth control just to have sex without worry of having a baby. If 500 still had unprotected sex and got pregnant (and didn't have the baby aborted) that would mean those 500 paid in 1,875,000 while just the birth alone would cost (at the minimum) 3,868,500. So as a policy holder, your "cost" would go up:

10,000 holders: 11.85 dollars
100,000 holders: 1.19 dollars
1,000,000 holders: .12 cents

or basically, every birth costs at least an extra 5 depending on how many (.5 extra with 10k, .05 extra with 100k, .005 extra with 1m). This doesn't include the cost of treatments that could of been prevented with BC. In one case though it ranges from the extra 5 to an extra 15 (1.5 for 10k, .15 for 100k, .02 for 1m)

The Average Cost of Child Birth | eHow.com
Health care costs for American families jump again - May. 11, 2011

**DJ Ms. White** · 03-07-12, 07:28 AM

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**deathgodusmc** · 03-07-12, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Red_Lizard2

People do realize that paying for it means:

10,000 policy holders: .30 cents per women taking BC
100,000 holders: .03 cents per women
1,000,000 holders: .003 cents per women

Further insurance is basically like a big pool, they take your money every month and throw it into the pool to cover whatever costs come up for everyone who has paid into the pool. the average contribution of a family of 4 (employer and employee combined) is around 15,000 dollars. 3,000 of 15,000 is 20% of that 15,000. If you had a 1000 women, in a family of 4, taking birth control then they are putting in 3,750,000 and taking out 3,000,000.

Now, lets say they are using the birth control just to have sex without worry of having a baby. If 500 still had unprotected sex and got pregnant (and didn't have the baby aborted) that would mean those 500 paid in 1,875,000 while just the birth alone would cost (at the minimum) 3,868,500. So as a policy holder, your "cost" would go up:

10,000 holders: 11.85 dollars
100,000 holders: 1.19 dollars
1,000,000 holders: .12 cents

or basically, every birth costs at least an extra 5 depending on how many (.5 extra with 10k, .05 extra with 100k, .005 extra with 1m). This doesn't include the cost of treatments that could of been prevented with BC. In one case though it ranges from the extra 5 to an extra 15 (1.5 for 10k, .15 for 100k, .02 for 1m)

The Average Cost of Child Birth | eHow.com
Health care costs for American families jump again - May. 11, 2011

Failed concept already. Take diabetes as an example. The meds with insurance can cost over 100 per fill. There are over 18 million diagnosed cases in the US alone. Odds are more then 1 million have medical coverage. Proof size of perscribers does not equal smaller cost per person.