Texas "One State Under God" lisence plates.

**Alundil** · 03-25-12, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I would say if wicked has an argument its gonna be with the state of maryland. They actually have tags for specific churches. However you still have the whole pay an extra fee to get it deal.

Oh the humanity.

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**AetheLove** · 03-25-12, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Alundil

Most states, including Texas, have those same cultural or natural plates as offerings. The issue is that Wicked, and a lot of people who disagreed with this plate in Texas, disagreed on the the basis of separation of church and state grounds. However, I and many others, regardless of religious leaning or lack thereof, don't feel that this meets the definition of state sponsored anything because the state did not create the design, nor do they mandate its usage. It was citizen created and purely voluntary. The only involvement the state has is the approval for using it as an official tag or plate on a vehicle. That's it.

I have a few questions and since you're not personally offended at the present situation, and your position seems bursting with common sense, you're the one I want to ask.

Would you have any problem with a Texas plate that says "There is only one God and Mohammed is his prophet" ?

Do you think that, if requested, Texas is likely to issue such a plate?

If they do offer it as an option, do you think a Muslim would feel as uninhibited expressing this sentiment as a Christian expressing theirs?

Cheers,

AetheLove

**CivilWars** · 03-25-12, 01:41 PM

I know you didn't ask me, but you will get my answer anyway. I am not offended by the many different bumper stickers I see, the license plate holders, or even the clothes people wear spouting their various beliefs, and I wouldn't care if it were on their license plate either.

To quote DG, who was quoting someone else, this is just another example of the pussification of America.

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**deathgodusmc** · 03-25-12, 01:56 PM

I believe the first person i ever heard use the term pussification was george carlin.

**Guyver** · 03-25-12, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

No, "Choose Life" isn't intrinsically religious, nor is "woman's choice," so these aren't unconstitutional.

Potato, PoTAto.

So, saying "One State Under God" is imposing morals upon someone, but saying "Choose Life" or "Woman's Choice" isn't. Mmmmkay.

**AetheLove** · 03-25-12, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I know you didn't ask me, but you will get my answer anyway.

Awesome!

I await your answers.

My queries were directed to Alundil mostly in that I was responding to his post and he seemed to at least make an effort to distinguish between God and a local sports franchise. I'd be interested to hear anyone's answers to those questions.

Cheers,

AetheLove

**SapiensErus** · 03-25-12, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Guyver

Potato, PoTAto.

So, saying "One State Under God" is imposing morals upon someone, but saying "Choose Life" or "Woman's Choice" isn't. Mmmmkay.

Religious and moral are not the same.

**SapiensErus** · 03-25-12, 02:31 PM

Frankly I agree it is religious language being produced by the state. Further, specialty plates cost more, and I find it hard to believe that the cost and cost difference accurately describes production of different plate types. It is a business as well as government printed religion in this case.

License plates are simply an ID tag and should not be decorative IMO. They exist to allow quick identification of a vehicle by law enforcement; in this they should be simple, direct and noticeable.

Just my thoughts; a government license should be no more than that.

**Guyver** · 03-25-12, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

Religious and moral are not the same.

They're both what a person chooses to believe/support, in this scenario...so, I fail to see much of a difference at all.

**SpecOpsScott** · 03-25-12, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

License plates are simply an ID tag and should not be decorative IMO. They exist to allow quick identification of a vehicle by law enforcement; in this they should be simple, direct and noticeable.

Just my thoughts; a government license should be no more than that.

This i can agree with. The whole thing started as a money grab by the states. And as not to exclude anyone they have allowed those with religious connotations. But unless someone can prove that the state is endorsing a religion as a state religion by doing this, Im not sure there is a case for removing the option. But if tomorrow the states decided there would be no expressive vanity plates of any kind, i would be cool with that too, it just seems simpler to me.