Thread: Texas "One State Under God" lisence plates.

Originally Posted by Alundil

Aren't all licenses produced "by the state" (honest question)? If so, then my original question still stands. How is this any different, or more meaningful, than any other specialty plate? I don't see the difference between this specialty plate, and others;













If it were up to me, I'd not have any specialty plates at all. But since everyone and their mom appears to want to have a special "Look at me" plate I see no reason why inclusion shouldn't be the standard.

And by the way - arguing on the grounds of "it's a state made plate, therefore the state must be "supporting" or "promoting" a religion" is a real stretch. You can go there if you'd like (and I am pretty sure that's where you're coming from) but it's a stretch.

It, and all other specialty plates though, is a waste of time and effort. Have others? Have this one? Don't want certain ones (arguments over it here in Texas have sounded like children fighting in the back seat of a car), then don't have any. Easy.


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This makes things easy for me, my argument was already presented.

Originally Posted by Guyver

They're both what a person chooses to believe/support, in this scenario...so, I fail to see much of a difference at all.

Extremely different, especially as per the language of the constitution (the argument you are arguing against in this case).

Religion is the belief in a deity and things affiliated with that deity (ritual, commandments, etc). Morals are opinions about what is "right or wrong."

In some cases people say religious things are moral things but this is not always the case (how moral is genital mutilation?). Likewise things that are moral do not have to be religious (by far and wide none of us want to be raped or killed, so we know its bad, and therefore not moral to do it to another however some religions prescribe rape or murder as perfectly suitable punishments and therefore moral).

People may choose to believe in one or the other, but to say that makes them the same is to say that belief in Santa Clause is the same as making a choice not to murder someone because it is bad. The constitution clearly states separation of church and state and not separation of moral opinion from state.


You are arguing that because religion and morals are both choices they are fundamentally the same; by that logic the the language of the constitution stating separation of church and state also means the separation of morals and state or perhaps "people's choices" and state would be more appropiate by your given argument. In that case, all of the plates shown are in violation then because they all show some opinion someone believes in.

Originally Posted by SoySoldier

In that case, all of the plates shown are in violation then because they all show some opinion someone believes in.

Exactly. Either accept them all, or get rid of them all.

Wicked seems to have a problem with "God" plate ....but I bet not so much with the "Womens' Choice" plate.

I see the difference Soy points out, but if it is technically a state ID item then having a personalized plate that said PRZ GOD, or PRZ ALA would be just as "illegal".

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

Show me where the Constitution says anything about taking a stance on the abortion debate.

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Like I said, either accept them all, or none at all.

If you don't like the "God" plate...don't look at it.

Also, Texas has had lots of plates, so I'd be highly surprised if the "God" plate was the only choice a person would have.