Governor signs bill to allow citizens to resist police

**triggerhappy2005** · 03-28-12, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

I would much rather not resist a police officer, follow his orders, then sue later in court if he indeed was unjust in his duties....just sayin...

Good luck with that when it's his word against yours.

**SmokenScion** · 03-28-12, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

I would much rather not resist a police officer, follow his orders, then sue later in court if he indeed was unjust in his duties....just sayin...

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

Good luck with that when it's his word against yours.

If you live through the arrest in the first place. With all the Roving Death squads who knows if you even make it to jail.
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**deathgodusmc** · 03-28-12, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

Obviously there is still going to be a danger. I'm not saying that cops have had a free ride and never worrying about people resisting. What this law does, and what I explained in my OP, is gives people a sense of "If they come in my house, I can resist." Believe it or not, people are not law scholars. They do not understand every situation that a police officer can enter thier property without a warrant. Just like YOU yourself said earlier DG...No warrant I'm acting illegally. That statement right there proves my point. LEO's do NOT have to have a warrant in every single situation to enter your house. It's called exigent circumstances, and as long as a reasonable and prudent person can articulate the facts to show that entering that house warrant-less was to protect life or property, then it will fly every time in court.

Ordinary people will also imply that this law says "If a cop is acting illegally, I can reisist." People do not understand that the standard of proof to stop you on the sidewalk, and search you is VERY low. If you read Terry v. Ohio case law, it outlines that police officers can search and frisk you for officer safety...which is pretty much any reason what-so-ever if you articulate it correctly.

Bottom line DG, this law will end up getting either an officer, or civilian killed, because that ONE call you take on a "sovereign citizen" that believes cops can not enter thier property without a warrant, and no time, no matter what, and decides to pull a gun.

Pull your panties out. I was just giving an example with the warrant thing. As you read farther into the thread you will also see where i gave examples that it isnt required to enter.

This law doesnt give false hope or dreams of resisting police. It states what it is and even discussed your exact example in the article. So there is no "I didnt know" bs. If you read about the law you read that specific example of what it does not cover.

Your really trying to make this out to be life and death aren't you? Do your job correctly and the only people that will give you a problem are the same people that were going to before. Stop trying to act like law abiding citizens are going to pull a gun and start firing away because you asked to see their drivers license. Thats not going to happen.

**deathgodusmc** · 03-28-12, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

I would much rather not resist a police officer, follow his orders, then sue later in court if he indeed was unjust in his duties....just sayin...

Then you dont know where the real money is at.

In all seriousness you dont have to follow orders if you havent done anything wrong. The onus is on him to prove you did something wrong. This whole hes a cop so i have to obey is a bunch of bs.

**WickedTribe** · 03-28-12, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

I would much rather not resist a police officer, follow his orders, then sue later in court if he indeed was unjust in his duties....just sayin...

Yeah, that sounds nice, but the Americans no longer trust that they'll get justice in the courts, or that they'll get a proper investigation against the police. Also, if you're afraid for your life, then you're not going to wait to sue. This guy,
Tased in His Own House: California Man Sues Police After Disturbing Visit - ABC News
was afraid for his life, and rightly so. He shouldn't have to sit there and take abuse, hoping that he'll survive to sue later.

**triggerhappy2005** · 03-29-12, 03:13 AM

It's clearly obvious that police abuse is not some extremely rare event. It occurs regualrly. Although it's a minority of police officers that do this, it's a sizable minority.

I'm all for laws that help to prevent this. Funny thing is that I never hear about people being tazed here in France or Germany. Then again, the police here seem to act more professionally and less militant than US police in general and is probably a big reason why the population here don't normally have trust issues with them.

In the US, the police always seem to show up and start tazing and cuffing people at the first sign of a problem. In other words they overreact most of the time. In Germany or France they tend to mediate more and treat people with a modicum of sincere respect and tolerate a little bit of emotion as they realize they are dealing with humans. The end result here tends to be better as there are a lot less injuries and almost no fatalities at the hands of the police.

**Kraker Jak** · 03-29-12, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Then you dont know where the real money is at.

In all seriousness you dont have to follow orders if you havent done anything wrong. The onus is on him to prove you did something wrong. This whole hes a cop so i have to obey is a bunch of bs.

Lol, wrong wrong and more wrong, but I don't have time nor the patience to explain it

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**deathgodusmc** · 03-29-12, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Kraker Jak

Lol, wrong wrong and more wrong, but I don't have time nor the patience to explain it

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Yeah im wrong. lol Maybe that shit works with people who dont know what their rights are but that isnt over here. Been there and corrected osifers. Let me know when it becomes a police state. Then you may have a point until then its going to take more then a rookie to preach lawful orders.

**Gumby** · 03-29-12, 10:19 PM

Kraker makes me lol in this post because his posts read like the RIAA guy in South Park. "I AM ABOVE THE LAW!" It's a good law. Like Trigger said, the Polezei don't need a law like this one.

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**deathgodusmc** · 03-29-12, 10:38 PM

Kraker i think your confused. If a cop is trying to keep traffic lanes moving or something lawful then yes. However a cop can not just start barking orders for no reason at people that are not violating any laws. Walking in traffic is not lawful hence why they can do that.