Thread: It never happened.

Originally Posted by Langrad

There was a news thing a few years back about the military discharging rape victims instead of investigating. Just saying Death, this isnt new, and the military isnt trying that hard to fix it.

Who is to judge how hard anyone is trying to fix this? Rape happens out here all the time. Why is that not fixed if its such an easy problem to correct? Look all things being looked at i think we can all agree it most likely does happen from time to time both in the service and out. With that in mind i think we can all agree false claims are also made in the service and out. I think its also a safe conclusion that no one here believes rape is a good thing.

Personally i think rape victims should be discharged and the rapist put in jail. That may sound harsh but heres my thoughts on it. A person that has been raped is going to have emotional damage to which no foreseeable date for that damage to be corrected if ever. A person not functioning to their full mental capacity in the service will get someone killed and if your lucky its just 1.

Now to give a bit more insight i would not only apply that to rape victims but to any mental disturbance. Now i also think just kicking them out the door should not be the end of all dealing with these people. The active duty military simply is not the environment for them. That should be handled by an outside source and perferably by someone with a bit more feeling for people then i do.

Where i am tossed up is on if someone should collect a check for it. Sure it happened while active duty and most likely by an active duty member. However this is not the governments fault anymore then if a coworker at any other job raped someone. Sure it sucks but I do not truly feel it deserves a check for the rest of your life. I would say to the end of your current contract which is more then any private sector job would give you.

As for every other mental discharge i would say no check unless that illness is job related. The government is already willing to give checks for disabilities so i see no need for those funds to come from the VA system seeing as they are not service connected disabilities.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

The Corps is the same but the SARC program has been around since the 70's. Oh and its a SAPR's program in the Corps.

If thats the case then thats kinda sad, as what I just said was straight from the damn slide from my annual training 2 weeks ago...wouldn't be a big surprise to me if the slide was wrong or referring to the way things are done in SARC now as opposed to before that time.

Originally Posted by RAWRKITTY

If thats the case then thats kinda sad, as what I just said was straight from the damn slide from my annual training 2 weeks ago...wouldn't be a big surprise to me if the slide was wrong or referring to the way things are done in SARC now as opposed to before that time.

I cant say as to your slide being wrong or the program in the air force. I do know the SARC program has been around since 1978. I went and verified its start date after the post. That also could mean it was around but being used under a different name prior to your slide. I can say i remember the whole discussion about it when i was in and that was 20 years ago. So if i had to guess it was a different name but the program itself was around and probably a little different.

Let me also add RAWR that in my search I also noted that the AF seemed to launch its SARC program as you said. I would think they had a different version in place prior to but i couldnt tell you the real answer to that.

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

I agree that the rape victims would be a liability, but no more than combat vets. There are obviously very serious cases for both the vets and rape victims that would definitely necessitate a discharge. However, a lot of those people can still provide valuable services to the military.

My problems are that a lot of times, these women and men who are raped are being overly quickly diagnosed with the wrong type of mental disability, the diagnosis is used to sweep the rape under the rug, and that there are rapists walking free.

If those people are willing to literally fuck over their own fellow soldiers, what are the consequences of having them on the battlefield? If the life of a comrade means so little what will happen to the indigenous civilian or the captured enemy combatant?

See but your wrong White. Rape victims are a liability and combat vets are a battle hardened asset. Mentally unstable combat vets are a liability. Theres a big difference. Your better off with a military of replacement limbs then unstable mental patients.

How can you speak to the amount of times it happens in the military? You cant. You've never been there. You have no idea the amount of false claims there are in the military. Rape is hard to prove unless you were a virgin prior to. So anyone can claim it and the burden of proof you need is astronomical. The days of her screaming rape and the guy going to jail have past because of the amount of false claims.

The amount of people willing to fuck over their fellow soldier are far less then whats in the civilian world. Yes there are always going to be bad seeds and all the testing in the world will never weed them all out. So stop trying to act like its just a military issue when the civilian population has a higher concentration.

Plus we dont judge a war by the acts of a few people. We judge it by the actions of the whole. So the best we can do is prosecute those we can and hope the rest get the point before they take action. We also have to keep in mind we're sending 18 and 19 year olds into foreign lands to kill or be killed. Some will snap under the pressure. There is no job in this country that compares to that and its precisely why the Marine Corps has made their training as tough as it is. The hopes are to get the weak links before they leave basic but no system is perfect.

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

Do you have evidence of these false claims or is this anecdote?

As far as versus civilian life goes, a woman in the American military is twice as likely to be victim of sexual trauma (a 1 in 3 chance vs. 1/6 in the civilian world). Rape in the US military: America's dirty little secret | Society | The Guardian
Oh, and fun tidbit from that article is that 37% of the reported sex crimes are men being raped.

First hand knowledge not anecdotal. It has proven difficult to differentiate false from unfounded accusations though.

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

That actually is anecdotal evidence. /semanticswhichisultimatelypointless

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuttttttt....yeah, I see your point. The main thing for me is that I see so many of these claims that it's setting off the red flags. That this also is happening not just among men but among women is also flag for me.

Again, I don't want our servicemen and women to have to fear each other. They have enough to worry about with Johnny McBomber who somehow thinks the idea of 99 females with no sexual experience is a good thing to have in the after life. To be fair, there are also plenty of female bombers. Oh, and that story I heard about where the woman tried to sneak a grenade through in her baby's diaper.

No you passing it along is anecdotal. I was there for several cases. I saw and heard the bs with my own eyes and ears of made up shit for people i was actually with at the time.

I read she tried to sneak a grenade thru but didnt read the story. Pretty fucked up and i agree they shouldnt fear each other. Nor should anyone have to fear another person but life isnt perfect.