DEA agent won’t admit heroin more harmful than marijuana

**AetheLove** · 06-23-12, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by MaFioSo

You were taking forever to respond, [...] I was seriously thinking "damn this kid is taking forever to respond, [...] "

Hey, if I could get paid to debate drama in a web forum I'd be a lot more prompt. :P

I agree she could have done a better job. Maybe she was hired because she was a good cop and a great administrator. The day we hire agency heads based primarily on their ability to put on a good performance in front on Congress is the day we are all well and truly screwed.

Cheers,

AetheLove

**Xavsnipe** · 06-23-12, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Studies have been done. Without consent from the governing body they do not count. Sad reality. Getting that approval would mean they could do one in the manner it needs to be done. Until then every study done will be useless.

How do you know they´ve been done without the consent of the "governing body"? Studies have been done...the effects of this drug have been measured...they just have not been made public.

Legalize or or keep it illegal, that´s another story...what I´m saying is...the effects of this shit are already known, just as well as we know the effects of aspirin or antibiotics or morphine or green tea in our bodies.

**Gumby** · 06-23-12, 08:10 PM

Statically, heroine is far more dangerous than marijuana. I can prove this. Simply compare the number of overdose deaths of one to the other. But that is not what this thread is supposed to be about. This is about a government official unable to come up with a reasonable response to a question from Congress. She is an idiot. Guess what? Most upper management in the Federal government is idiots. The system is set up to promote incompetents. A more interesting question to me is why is the DEA even going after potheads and their suppliers when I distinctly recall Mr. Obama saying during the 2008 campaign that if he was elected, the DEA would stop wasting resources going after these guys. But that too is another thread.

**Irishrice** · 06-23-12, 08:10 PM

I might be missing something here.. but who gives a shit..

I could care less about mj, coco, heroin, meth etc etc...Let the dumb bastards die away on it.. If nobody is buying then we do not have a problem.. Then we can save that 2 billion dollars for some other bullshit..

Feel free to chew my ass.. I love debate class

**AetheLove** · 06-23-12, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

How do you know they´ve been done without the consent of the "governing body"? Studies have been done...the effects of this drug have been measured...they just have not been made public.

In the US, it's almost impossible to do most studies on MJ in the first place. The substance is illegal. Even with private funding, you can't just run a study. You have to get permission to allow people to smoke (inject, ingest, whatever). That permission is, not surprisingly, pretty much impossible to get.

We know much more about opiates. Some opiates are legal to use. We also know a lot about illegal use because there are prescribed treatment regimens for heroin addiction - so we can study someone who takes it, and then takes a substitute, or goes cold-turkey and suffers through withdrawal, etc., because doing those things is already part of a legal and medical structure.

Pot isn't addictive. It isn't injected, so disease transmission isn't an issue. But since the Fed's don't recognize ANY legal use, it lives in an information black-hole.

The whole thing is bizarre.

Cheers,

AetheLove

**Xavsnipe** · 06-23-12, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Irishrice

I might be missing something here.. but who gives a shit..

I could care less about mj, coco, heroin, meth etc etc...Let the dumb bastards die away on it.. If nobody is buying then we do not have a problem.. Then we can save that 2 billion dollars for some other bullshit..

Feel free to chew my ass.. I love debate class

Point is, no one dies from using MJ lol

**deathgodusmc** · 06-23-12, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

How do you know they´ve been done without the consent of the "governing body"? Studies have been done...the effects of this drug have been measured...they just have not been made public.

Legalize or or keep it illegal, that´s another story...what I´m saying is...the effects of this shit are already known, just as well as we know the effects of aspirin or antibiotics or morphine or green tea in our bodies.

Oddly enough this isnt the first time mj has been discussed. In my time prior to being here and during my time being here i have been able to read many on this topic. The most memorable is a doctor in the north east that had applied over 7 times and rejected all seven times. In his last attempt he mentioned it was time to do this because without that approval no comprehensive study will ever be done. That was about 2 years ago. Before then and after then all it takes is a web search and you can find studies.

The effects are mostly known. What a comprehensive study would show is what its actual damage to the body is, what its actual benefits are, how much is to much or not enough, just how addictive it really is, the list goes on. All we have right now is suggested outcomes from pot smokers and a few bs studies that only prove what point they want it to make.

Im glad you chose those items. Not to long ago green tea was good for you no matter what. Last year they linked green tea to being toxic in large quantities. Asprin can actually kill you, i dont think we need to discuss the side effects of morphine, and antibiotics are what caused the super viruses we have now. Not to mention we now know taking a certain anti virus for no reason it becomes ineffective for what its designed for.

All reasons a comprehensive study needs to be done.

**Irishrice** · 06-23-12, 08:19 PM

haha yeah i agree with that.. I know that pot is addictive though.. All you have to do is ask someone to quit smoking pot.. lol they never want to.. usually once a pot smoker always a smoker.

I wonder if it will produce lung cancer though?

**Xavsnipe** · 06-23-12, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by AetheLove

In the US, it's almost impossible to do most studies in the first place. The substance is illegal. Even with private funding, you can't just run a study. You have to get permission to allow people to smoke (inject, inject, whatever). That permission is, not surprisingly, pretty much impossible to get.

We know much more about opiates. Some opiates are legal to use. We also know a lot about illegal use because there are prescribed treatment regimens for heroin addiction - so we can study someone who takes it, and then takes a substitute, or goes cold-turkey and suffers through withdrawal, etc., because doing those things is already part of a legal and medical structure.

Pot isn't addictive. It isn't injected, so disease transmission isn't an issue. But since the Fed's don't recognize ANY legal use, it lives in an information black-hole.

The whole thing is bizarre.

Cheers,

AetheLove

I´m positive studies have been made. Man, we test for EVERYTHING...everything from torture methods to effects of Pot to the effects of nuclear fallout. We´ve tested everything...and what hasn´t been tested we haven´t discovered yet.

**Xavsnipe** · 06-23-12, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Oddly enough this isnt the first time mj has been discussed. In my time prior to being here and during my time being here i have been able to read many on this topic. The most memorable is a doctor in the north east that had applied over 7 times and rejected all seven times. In his last attempt he mentioned it was time to do this because without that approval no comprehensive study will ever be done. That was about 2 years ago. Before then and after then all it takes is a web search and you can find studies.

The effects are mostly known. What a comprehensive study would show is what its actual damage to the body is, what its actual benefits are, how much is to much or not enough, just how addictive it really is, the list goes on. All we have right now is suggested outcomes from pot smokers and a few bs studies that only prove what point they want it to make.

Im glad you chose those items. Not to long ago green tea was good for you no matter what. Last year they linked green tea to being toxic in large quantities. Asprin can actually kill you, i dont think we need to discuss the side effects of morphine, and antibiotics are what caused the super viruses we have now. Not to mention we now know taking a certain anti virus for no reason it becomes ineffective for what its designed for.

All reasons a comprehensive study needs to be done.

My point is a "comprehensive" study HAS been done. It just hasn´t been released to the public.