Thread: Dishonorable discharge

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

This comment really made me angry. Outrage is a good word for what I feel about this. I've thought my response through and I thought for a while about being a bit more civil in my response, but... No. I can't. Not knowing how many thousands of lives since WWII have been sacrificed by brave men and women protecting your rights and fighting for your continued safety. Doing shit you couldn't begin to comprehend and that you will never hear about (unless the White House starts bragging again). For all of them - you know what I think about your comments here Fovezer? Fuck you. You disgust me. You have no honor. You also have no clue; you are a sheep, but you are a sheep that is self aware, one that would see the sheepdog die protecting you and yet, in that most intellectual, ivory tower of ways say "Um, you weren't defending me, thankyouverymuch". And that is the worst kind of sheep. On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs

I have no interest in directly responding to anything else you have to say, and I won't. But I can't abide by this comment, I'm sorry. DG is being too nice about it, and you don't deserve the kindness.

Oh, and by the way on behalf of all those who fought and died protecting your freedom since WWII - you're welcome.

Blah, blah, blah. You think I give a shit if I pissed you off? No one is fucking defending my freedoms by doing what they are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now, and that arrogant propaganda about "protecting my freedom" is such an overused slogan it has lost any real meaning. Now it just means, "Shut up, you can't criticize or say anything that can be perceived as negative towards the military, wahhhh." Military worship has run amok in this country, and that is sickening. Let's bitch about spending and the deficit, but when it comes to defense spending? Increase it! Fucking brilliant. Vietnam and Korea were about keeping brutal American-backed dictators in office. Iraq 1 was about keeping Iraq out of Kuwait and was all about oil and oil revenues. Iraq 2 was a big clusterfuck based on lies. You could make an argument about Afghanistan in the beginning, but after the long occupation, the end result is terrorism still exists there and Americans are needlessly dying to prop up a corrupt Afghani government. All while shit like the PATRIOT Act, Military Protection Act, DHS, and TSA are all came into full-force.

So I don't want your "thanks," you keep them, and take your trite slogans with you.

Lazarus your really going to have to start supporting your claims here bud. Been reading a lot of your posts lately and its just claims with no evidence to support it. Give links, pics, videos, etc something to help support your argument. Find the articles or press clippings where the White House is responsible for these allegations you are tossing their way. As much as I hate to agree with Fove and Trigger (and it pains me to do so), your arent exactly helping your argument here at all.

As far as the OP is concerned, yeah Obama is taking a bit too much credit for the killing of Bin Laden (aka assassination/murder, in any other circumstance its what it would have been called) and its getting kind of boring. His campaign ad for the next couple of months could be this skit and his approval rating would sky rocket if he just kept reminding people of this:


I highly doubt though that he or his staff would release highly sensitive spec ops documents though. And if Im not mistaken wasnt most of what was released about the Osama raid was done by the media doing their job and digging everything up? Someone correct me if Im wrong with that.

Funny thing about the IC. If you are really in it, you keep your mouth shut. Anyone running their pie hole is not really in. If you are not in it, you don't really know what is going on even if you think you do. Especially if you think you do. Perhaps another thread should be created for the arguments about defending freedom since WWII. They seem out of place on a thread about White House intel leaks.

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Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Oh, and by the way on behalf of all those who fought and died protecting your freedom since WWII - you're welcome.

That's the whole point. Since WW2 the US hasn't entered a military engagement that any reasonable person could argue was in defense of the US freedom. Of course if you care to show how the North Vietnamese or North Koreans posed a direct threat to American freedoms, go right ahead. I just hope you can overcome your outrage to formulate a coherent response.

Originally Posted by DuDDy

Lazarus your really going to have to start supporting your claims here bud. Been reading a lot of your posts lately and its just claims with no evidence to support it. Give links, pics, videos, etc something to help support your argument. Find the articles or press clippings where the White House is responsible for these allegations you are tossing their way. As much as I hate to agree with Fove and Trigger (and it pains me to do so), your arent exactly helping your argument here at all...

...I highly doubt though that he or his staff would release highly sensitive spec ops documents though. And if Im not mistaken wasnt most of what was released about the Osama raid was done by the media doing their job and digging everything up? Someone correct me if Im wrong with that.

Lawmakers Suspect Intelligence Leaks Emanate From White House - Conservative Crusader
Below are quotes directly from Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)

"Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) told reporters that they plan to discuss “how we might stiffen up the process that’s used to investigate [intelligence and security] leaks."

“The accelerating pace of such disclosures, the sensitivity of the matters in question, and the harm caused to our national security interests is alarming and unacceptable,” the Intelligence Committee Chairwoman said in a statement released on Friday.

“Each disclosure puts American lives at risk, makes it more difficult to recruit assets, strains the trust of our partners, and threatens imminent and irreparable damage to our national security in the face of urgent and rapidly adapting threats worldwide,” she said.

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Feinstein: "Avalanche of leaks" – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs
In an interview with Wolf Blitzer on the Situation Room, Feinstein said, "I think what we're seeing, Wolf, is an avalanche of leaks and it is very, very disturbing. It's dismayed our allies. It puts American lives in jeopardy. It puts our nation's security in jeopardy."

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FBI looks into possible White House leaks - CNN
"In recent weeks, we have become increasingly concerned at the continued leaks regarding sensitive intelligence programs and activities, including specific details of sources and methods," said Chambliss; Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein, D-California; Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Michigan; and Ranking Member C.A. "Dutch" Ruppersberger, D-Maryland, in the statement.

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THEN Feinstein obviously is told by the administration to shut the fuck up... AND...
Dem senator: I shouldn't have speculated on security leaks - Political Hotsheet - CBS News
However there is also this little gem of a quote:
On Monday, Feinstein, a liberal Democrat and four-term senator, said that while she does not suspect Mr. Obama of knowingly leaking the information, "I think the White House has to understand that some of this is coming from their ranks."

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Rogers, following up on criticisms of the leaks made last week by Dianne Feinstein, the Democratic chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Rogers agreed that human intelligence assets had been comprised.
“We know that sources have self selected out of cooperation around the world,” Rogers explained. “We know that operations have had to change. We know that operations have had to shut down.”
Based on the work by his committee investigators, the congressman joined other Republicans by claiming that the classified information came from a small group of people who have access to the White House.
“It is very clear that somebody who had access to the White House situation room, had very senior covert action classified material was responsible for some of these leaks," he said. "That is not a big group of people."

Read more: Top Republican warns security leaks haven't stopped despite controversy | Fox News

Oh wait, there's more!

White House Didn't Ask New York Times Not to Publish Classified Information

"Sanger's story contains a wealth of presumably Top Secret data about the Stuxnet program—dubbed "Olympic Games" by the CIA—including a direct quote from Vice President Joe Biden during a Situation Room meeting about the operation. Not to diminish Sanger's reporting—one man's hard-won scoop is another man's "official leak"—but it's impossible to imagine that Sanger could have gathered the level of detail that he did about the classified program if the White House didn't want at least some of the information to reach the public."

There I was, thinking my references were simple public knowledge, and someone says I didn't "cite my claims"... I list proof a lot of the time. But I don't assume people are stupid.

Well I'll be damned. Seems there were leaks... And seems both Dems and Repubs said there were. Until Romney talked about it and the Dems circled the wagons. Mark my words - someone in the administration is going to jail over this.

The media at the White House is told what to write by the Obama administration anyway...

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

DG is being too nice about it...

Is this real life? Never in my wildest dreams would I have ever thought I'd see these words

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All this is blown to shit.

Dick cheney Leaks WMDs to Judith Miller, She writes a story about WMDs.
Dick Cheney Points out the known Fact of WMDs.
We go to war.
No WMDs.

Shut the fuck up.

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

All this is blown to shit.

Dick cheney Leaks WMDs to Judith Miller, She writes a story about WMDs.
Dick Cheney Points out the known Fact of WMDs.
We go to war.
No WMDs.

Shut the fuck up.

Why are you talking about something that happened 9 years ago? Are you saying that justifies behavior happening today?