Thread: Empire State Building Shootings

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

I don´t understand. Please explain

In the Corps i know the guy behind me had my back. Out here that doesn't happen. I've had to many fights that i didnt start with more then one person and i've had guns pointed at me on more then one occasion not including popo. Trust no one and take care of business on your own is how i live. If you dont count on people they never let you down and odds are if something ever happens popo wont be there when it does. Not saying they wouldn't step up to the plate but if they aren't around they never had the option.

Outside of a firing range i have chambered 1 round my entire life and i hope it stays that way but i have no problem doing it again if needed. Like i said before to wicked its not fear its being prepared. I've remodeled a lot of banks in my time and those jobs always go at night. By the look on people faces its a pretty tempting proposition.

Originally Posted by Hitch

REALLY? Do we have to spell it out for you, AGAIN and AGAIN and A-fuckin-gain? Quit trolling.

If honest, law-abiding folks are carrying guns, or are likely to be carrying guns, or are even POSSIBLY carrying guns, the criminals at least have to consider his/her own safety in committing a heinous act.

I considered this a a possible answer from gun ownership activists...and then I thought I´d investigate the relation between actively carrying or gun owning civilians, gun laws and crime rates in each state to see if the results could support this claim or not.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

In the Corps i know the guy behind me had my back. Out here that doesn't happen. I've had to many fights that i didnt start with more then one person and i've had guns pointed at me on more then one occasion not including popo. Trust no one and take care of business on your own is how i live. If you dont count on people they never let you down and odds are if something ever happens popo wont be there when it does. Not saying they wouldn't step up to the plate but if they aren't around they never had the option.

Outside of a firing range i have chambered 1 round my entire life and i hope it stays that way but i have no problem doing it again if needed. Like i said before to wicked its not fear its being prepared. I've remodeled a lot of banks in my time and those jobs always go at night. By the look on people faces its a pretty tempting proposition.

Ok. I understand. But you don´t live in 1980´s Colombia or present day Central America for example. There are proper measures one takes when the probabilities of x or y happening are high. My point is there is no need for you, as an American living in a very very safe town in Florida, to take the measures you think you need to take because the probabilities of x or y happening in the U.S. are very very very low.

My point is you protect your right to own and bear arms because you´ve been given that right to begin with and feel it is unlawful for someone to take it away; not because you actually NEED to own and bear arms to protect you and your loved ones.

Like I said before, I would understand someone wanting to carry a gun in the "murder capital of the world" even if I don´t think it is necessary even HERE! I just don´t understand someone wanting to carry a gun in the U.S. because they feel the need to protect themselves. Maybe I just don´t see where you guys are coming from at all. Maybe you´ve had horrible experiences and feel unprotected without a gun by your side.

I just don´t feel a gun protects me any more than acknowledging that if it´s my time to go, it´s my time to go. Gun or no gun.

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Ok. I understand. But you don´t live in 1980´s Colombia or present day Central America for example. There are proper measures one takes when the probabilities of x or y happening are high. My point is there is no need for you, as an American living in a very very safe town in Florida, to take the measures you think you need to take because the probabilities of x or y happening in the U.S. are very very very low.

My point is you protect your right to own and bear arms because you´ve been given that right to begin with and feel it is unlawful for someone to take it away; not because you actually NEED to own and bear arms to protect you and your loved ones.

Like I said before, I would understand someone wanting to carry a gun in the "murder capital of the world" even if I don´t think it is necessary even HERE! I just don´t understand someone wanting to carry a gun in the U.S. because they feel the need to protect themselves. Maybe I just don´t see where you guys are coming from at all. Maybe you´ve had horrible experiences and feel unprotected without a gun by your side.

I just don´t feel a gun protects me any more than acknowledging that if it´s my time to go, it´s my time to go. Gun or no gun.

You dont know that. Have you seen the warzone i live in right now? LOL random gunfire once a week. Its fucking bizarre. Personally i think its drunkin rednecks more so then a gun fight.

Your acting like we're mining the front yard and mounting 50 cals on our cars. LOL Quite the opposite. We simply carry just to be prepared. Thats it. Plus i grew up all over the damn place. I know what its like to live in philly, st.loius, baltimore, new york, dc, la, and so forth. Not every place is safe. There has been a running joke in philly for decades that if you dont hear about a murder on the news they just haven't found the body yet.

I clearly understand when its my time its my time but if it comes by means of force i choose to take him with me.

Originally Posted by moving-target

keep thinkin they say history repeats it self maybe the wild west will /should where we all pack

I would rather have been born then. No internet or cell phones but hookers were legal and you didnt have to wear a tire.

I understand.

We live in very different places. At least in the States people have fear of getting caught. If caught you will be convicted. You will be put away (most of the time). I live in a place where there are no consequences to illegal actions. The only crime would be not to have enough money to bribe the cop that wants to arrest you or has ordered your arrest.

So, we have completely different civilian perspectives on the deterring or convincing power of the bullet. In my case, owning a gun proves counter-productive to one´s own safety or that of one´s loved ones.

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

I understand.

We live in very different places. At least in the States people have fear of getting caught. If caught you will be convicted. You will be put away (most of the time). I live in a place where there are no consequences to illegal actions. The only crime would be not to have enough money to bribe the cop that wants to arrest you or has ordered your arrest.

So, we have completely different civilian perspectives on the deterring or convincing power of the bullet. In my case, owning a gun proves counter-productive to one´s own safety or that of one´s loved ones.

Different but not completely. It just takes more money then i have to get away with shit. Only people like oj get away with that shit here.

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

In most people's lives, they'll be perfectly safe in these places. That's why these events make the news. Let me ask you this, why don't you wear a bullet proof vest to these places too?

Impractical and bulky and would make me look fatter. Customers may not buy from me if I meet with them wearing one. It would wrinkle my clothes. I bet they can cause a rash.

I already said that I am horribly at actually carrying my weapon on my person even though I should. I consider it a bad thing that I do not carry everywhere that I can.

Not everything's about you.

umm. ok

Then what good would you have been in the movie theater or the empire state building. How were you going to protect those poor sheep with your gun out in your car?

Never called the victims of either sheep. That would be you spinning someones "since it is not about me" words into something that they did not say. Most certainly did not say that if I would have been there that things would have been different in either case.

Had there been just a couple of people with a weapon and the nuts to use it in the theater case things could have been improved. As for the New York thing I do not think it would have changed a thing.

You don't know anyone who will admit (to themselves or others) that they carry a weapon because they're scared.

Well it is not about me but obviously you seem to have a better grasp on what the people I know think which is impressive.

The whole point to my first post was that the myth surrounding friendly fire and how private citizens should not carry weapons or use them due to collateral damage and that only cops should have guns because they are trained to use them is bullshit.