Are we really better off?

**Warprosper** · 09-11-12, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Oh and enjoy your meeting. Personally i usually find them irritating.

It ended up being a meeting to setup 3, yes 3 more meetings. Pfft....

**WickedTribe** · 09-11-12, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Can I borrow your time machine? Since you seem so certain what our alternate past would have been like if McCain was elected? Bush wasn't running for president, remember?

The person in the seat doesn't matter as much as the party does.

**-Lazarus-** · 09-11-12, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

I'm not going for talking points, I'm going for honest discussion. The truth is that Obama's recovery may be tepid, but it's there, and that's certainly better than going back to the same failed policies that caused the collapse.

There hasn't been a tepid recovery under Obama. There has been a continued decline with a massive increase in our national debt. It's that simple. It's only gotten worse, all the way around, for everyone. No amount of bullshit you can spew will change that fact. You know, McCain didn't want to continue "the same failed policies" either.

**-Lazarus-** · 09-11-12, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

You show me one economic metric that has as sharp a downward trajectory now as it did in January, 2009.

You're joking right? How about the national debt, which has increased at double the rate under Obama than when Bush was President? That's just one. Do you really want to go down this road? In the interest of being nice, and because you are clearly clueless about what we are discussing, I will stop here. With respect, you need to just stop trying to defend this President. Your defense of him sounds even more hollow than he does himself.

**Fovezer** · 09-11-12, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

There hasn't been a tepid recovery under Obama. There has been a continued decline with a massive increase in our national debt. It's that simple. It's only gotten worse, all the way around, for everyone. No amount of bullshit you can spew will change that fact. You know, McCain didn't want to continue "the same failed policies" either.

The recovery for the middle class has been very tepid and slow, I'll give you that. Much of the improvement has gone to the top 1%, so you should be happy. But, as a whole, the economy is in better shape than 4 years ago. There really isn't any debate about that. And quit blaming the Bush debt on Obama. You've been corrected on it a hundred times and you continue to ignore that fact. You don't even try and challenge it, just ignore it and repeat the same falsehood.

**SmokenScion** · 09-11-12, 12:28 PM

You can't argue against a delusionist.

**WickedTribe** · 09-11-12, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

You're joking right? How about the national debt, which has increased at double the rate under Obama than when Bush was President? That's just one. Do you really want to go down this road? In the interest of being nice, and because you are clearly clueless about what we are discussing, I will stop here. With respect, you need to just stop trying to defend this President. Your defense of him sounds even more hollow than he does himself.

Federal Government Finances of the U.S. - Google Public Data Explorer

Wrong again, Lazarus. Rush and Glen are giving you old, used up talking points.

**WickedTribe** · 09-11-12, 12:53 PM

I'd like to add that we're out of Iraq and Bin Laden's dead. So if those things were important to anyone, that could be considered "better off" too.

**CivilWars** · 09-11-12, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Warprosper

I'll post it again

Gramm

This was put in by Clinton, and many believe that this is the cause of Bush's economic failures which in turn are now Obama's.

It's both parties that are at fault here but you can't blame one for the other's policies. You wan't to blame the economic crisis on a president instead of the actual cause. Corporate greed..

But that has to somehow be Bush's fault too, or otherwise this kool-aid would taste like shit...