US embassy attacked.

**-Lazarus-** · 10-12-12, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

Yeah, Corps usually ended up with most of the ceremonial jobs, just because they bring more "weight" being the best of the best.

I don't know why they shifted away from that somewhat and started bringing in private contractors to do some of the work, but I just can't agree with that. There's a psychological edge to using Marines as guards, because it's been proven time and again that fucking with Marines is generally a pretty piss-poor idea lol.

~Morningfrost

Lol you are correct sir. I remember when I was in the Gulf War (I'm a Marine), when we captured those Iraqis, we heard (among other equally entertaining stories) that they were spreading rumors within their ranks that we had to murder an immediate family member to complete our training and become Marines. They were also well aware of the USMC's exploits in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc. Needless to say they were terrified of us.

**Morningfrost** · 10-12-12, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Lol you are correct sir. I remember when I was in the Gulf War (I'm a Marine), when we captured those Iraqis, we heard (among other equally entertaining stories) that they were spreading rumors within their ranks that we had to murder an immediate family member to complete our training and become Marines. They were also well aware of the USMC's exploits in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc. Needless to say they were terrified of us.

Sounds like they'd heard that story of soldiers WAY back in the day who had to kill a puppy they'd raised to prove they could do it, and just modified it for Marines....complete with even more exaggeration lol.

But yeah, Marine's have a certain history. Put Marine's back on security details so we can take advantage of that history. Having a group of Marine's guarding VIPs is gonna make someone hesitate a lot more than seeing private contractors doing the same.

~Morningfrost

**SmokenScion** · 10-12-12, 12:54 PM

I wonder why Private Contractors are on the rise.......Could be that someone wants to privatize more of the Gov't so its smaller......

**BigHub** · 10-12-12, 01:25 PM

Because its a job that is compensated VERY WELL. I know a couple of guys in Blackwater (ex police, military, etc.)

Those dudes make bank.

$80,000-$100,000+/year

Where do I sign up?

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**Morningfrost** · 10-12-12, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

I wonder why Private Contractors are on the rise.......Could be that someone wants to privatize more of the Gov't so its smaller......

Contracting out military presence doesn't lessen the size of the government, or at least not the size of the government's budget. Private contractors cost more over the long run than regular military. The only place it's cheaper is in the short-term because you're not paying the training costs of that particular person. As Hub states though, contractors make significantly more than regular military personnel.

I just don't see how having the government hire private citizens to fight is lessening the size of the government when the bill ends up being higher.

~Morningfrost

**SmokenScion** · 10-12-12, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

Contracting out military presence doesn't lessen the size of the government, or at least not the size of the government's budget. Private contractors cost more over the long run than regular military. The only place it's cheaper is in the short-term because you're not paying the training costs of that particular person. As Hub states though, contractors make significantly more than regular military personnel.

I just don't see how having the government hire private citizens to fight is lessening the size of the government when the bill ends up being higher.

~Morningfrost

You're giving Tax dollars to you're Cronnies. Isn't that why you become President?

**deathgodusmc** · 10-12-12, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

We have contractors in places where we're "allowed" to play loose and fast with the laws of the country we're in.

Incorrect. If you are not at war all people excluding the diplomat are subject to the laws of what ever country they are in.

**deathgodusmc** · 10-12-12, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

I wonder why Private Contractors are on the rise.......Could be that someone wants to privatize more of the Gov't so its smaller......

Less to do with that then it is having people in country not wearing a US uniform. Its called deniability.

**-Lazarus-** · 10-12-12, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

Contracting out military presence doesn't lessen the size of the government, or at least not the size of the government's budget. Private contractors cost more over the long run than regular military. The only place it's cheaper is in the short-term because you're not paying the training costs of that particular person. As Hub states though, contractors make significantly more than regular military personnel.

I just don't see how having the government hire private citizens to fight is lessening the size of the government when the bill ends up being higher.

~Morningfrost

Frost, they do it so they can claim they are cutting the military while keeping the contractors on separate books as discretionary funding. Nice to have in an election year where you are claiming you left Iraq and are leaving Afghanistan...

**SmokenScion** · 10-12-12, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Incorrect. If you are not at war all people excluding the diplomat are subject to the laws of what ever country they are in.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Less to do with that then it is having people in country not wearing a US uniform. Its called deniability.

Please explain the Context between these two comments. From my point of view, you Denied the First claim as Untrue. Fallowed it up with why the first claim IS true..... Contradictions, or what?