Thread: Discuss Vote Fraud Stories Here...

I can't wait til this is over and Obama wins just to see Laz explode into a fiery ball of Rebuplifury.

Originally Posted by Nuckle

We are in a ditch and need to pull it back up on the road. We have been in a ditch for several pages now.

I'll have a go...

I think about voter fraud the same way I think about stealing credit card numbers.

There are plenty of cases of small-time fraud - a waitress who bumps up her tip, or a cashier who copies a number and then orders something online. There are lots of examples, and in the big picture they matter hardly at all.

No one of any consequence steals credit card numbers a few at a time. The problem are the people who steal credit card numbers by the tens-of-thousands or millions.

That doesn't mean I think that petty theft should go unpunished. But it does mean that people who spend all their time screaming about department store clerks lifting numbers are completely missing the point.

I'm sure anyone can find examples of small-time voter fraud, and I hope we can all agree that it's shameful. But the real problem is that the manipulation of voting has become a mass-production process. It involves partisan state officials changing the voting rules and times in the weeks or days before the election, sometimes only in select areas. It involves secretly funded robo-callers that misdirect or intimidate targeted segments of the population.

It involves badly designed voting systems and (my own worst nightmare) electronic voting machines with closed-source code and no reliable auditing process.

I've already seen reports of people waiting in lines in Miami for over 7 hours, with pictures of the line winding its way around a parking lot. No matter which party you support, how is this not a complete travesty? How can we not all be ashamed of this? If the US can't even get voting right, then we all need to shut-the-fuck-up and let the Russians take over the job of Shining Beacon Of Democracy, and an Example For The Rest Of The World.

I've lived in multiple states, in cities and small towns, and I don't think I've ever waited longer than 15 minutes to vote. I've voted absentee, and the only problem was that they sent me two ballots (I only returned one. I called them about it, and even if I'd sent both only one would have been counted).

So it's not a problem everywhere. It's a solvable problem. But some states are having persistent difficulties and I don't care if it's incompetence or malfeasance - someone's ass needs to fry.

There were problems in 2000, there were problems in 2004, there were problems in 2008. How can we NOT get this shit right?

Cheers,


AetheLove

Originally Posted by Fovezer

All that stuff you listed, Laz, went out of the window when the GOP went with the Southern Strategy in the 1960's. Which, of course, is why your history lesson stops well short of it.

"In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to the Republican Party strategy of gaining political support or winning elections in the Southern section of the country by appealing to racism against African Americans."
Southern strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is a complete fabrication by the left. Gotta cover their tracks, you know. Ugh. Same as saying Tea Partiers are racist.

And, back on topic:
Dead And Still Voting | NBC Bay Area

This was an interesting story actually for anyone who wonders how the heck people Like Nancy Pelosi stay in office... :-)

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

And, back on topic:
Dead And Still Voting | NBC Bay Area

This was an interesting story actually for anyone who wonders how the heck people Like Nancy Pelosi stay in office... :-)

causation and correlation, ah, no wonder you don't like science.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

You have a better example of dead people voting?

Thats the problem with threads like these. It doesn't matter what you put for proof there will always be a group dismissing it as anecdotal or the all to obvious causation argument. There has never been a conclusive study done on illegal voting. As such its easy to dismiss it as a small problem or a non existent problem. The problem with that is it could be a much larger problem then anyone wants to admit. Odds are we will never know because no one will ever agree to actually take a good look at it and there are so many different types of voter fraud no one wants the responsibility of fixing it.

That whole story is about them investigating the possibility of it. Which is very few and mostly clerical error. It just happened here in Colo, Scott Gessler spent a whole bunch of money investigating 14 people, out of all of Colorado. It doesn't exist in the proportion you claim.
Dude It's like me and Alundil Arguing over the Minority of dead beat cops. Yeah it happens, Yeah political views and sensationalized stories blow it out of proportion to illicit a response, But it's not majority, or even close to being significant.

If you find Actual Dead people voting Then I'll be worried, my KDR in Dayz is a sad state of affairs.