The fallacies of demonisation

**deathgodusmc** · 11-27-12, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Alundil

The article is not about EVE. EVE just happens to be the place that person spends most of their game time. As a topic it is equally applicable to numerous BF3 forums, battlelog, this one, etc etc etc.

But you aren't going to read it and that's fine. However claiming it's about EVE and therefore meaningless outside of that forum, or mmo forums, is almost deliberately missing the point.

It's a look at logical fallacies used in debates, especially in online debates, and most especially in contentious debates (this area jumps to mind). Nothing more. EVE just happened to be the author's point of reference. One could just as easily swap EVE references out for "News, Politics, Drama, etc" forum and it would for perfectly.

Hopefully some useful discussion will be spurred amongst people that might actually read the article, or at the very least a reduction in the Rampant Bullshit (and largely unfounded claims and unwieldy argumentative contortions) this forum has become known for.

Sent via highly charged bolt of electricity.

Pretty sure i already said that eve could be replaced and the argument applied toward something else. Thats why i said i dont mind it being here. I skimmed it very briefly but enough to know it is about eve but thats not important.

**Cojiro** · 11-27-12, 04:28 PM

i must say that this thread is so full of fallacies that its like WHOA.

meta.

**Kanati** · 11-27-12, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Its all good dex. They're just showing who the rooster is around here.

I just dont see why people need to read an article to see they have flaws. Then i have to also have to acknowledge the guy is regurgitating what someone else said to a very specific topic of EVE. By acknowledging all of that i can say without a doubt reading the article is a complete waste of time here. Maybe if it was posted in an EVE section or in game discussions it would be worth the time to read because after all thats where we go to discuss such things.

With that in mind im not against it being in here and maybe swayed in a way to where people can view it towards other things but you also cant get upset when someone says im not going to read it. After all i cant force anyone to read my posts any more then anyone else can force me to read theirs. If there is anything i have learned in life its everyone has flaws. Some acknowledge them, some try to correct them, some ignore them, and some spend their time pointing out others hoping theirs get overlooked in the process. So the last thing i need to read is an article about eve even if i feel the need to process that information toward another topic because we have plenty of people around here that will gladly point out when you have a flaw.

Nobody was ticked because you said you weren't going to read it. They were ticked because you posted you weren't going to read it JUST to say you weren't going to read it. And got what I can only imagine was the desired response.

Successful troll was successful.

The article itself is generic enough that, though geared to EVE because it's posted on EVEO, it is a good treatise on how discussions like this and elsewhere in this particular forum break down into one side or the other throwing weight around in a dick swinging match trying to prove who's the superior dick swinger. The big lie itself is almost not referenced past the opening paragraph or two (which is slightly misleading if you just try to skim the article) but it is relevant to the discussion.

Having not read it, and trying to argue against it firmly places you into one of the roles that is described in the article itself. I won't explain it though. You'll have to read it to determine which role that might be.

**deathgodusmc** · 11-27-12, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Kanati8869

Nobody was ticked because you said you weren't going to read it. They were ticked because you posted you weren't going to read it JUST to say you weren't going to read it. And got what I can only imagine was the desired response.

Successful troll was successful.

The article itself is generic enough that, though geared to EVE because it's posted on EVEO, it is a good treatise on how discussions like this and elsewhere in this particular forum break down into one side or the other throwing weight around in a dick swinging match trying to prove who's the superior dick swinger. The big lie itself is almost not referenced past the opening paragraph or two (which is slightly misleading if you just try to skim the article) but it is relevant to the discussion.

Having not read it, and trying to argue against it firmly places you into one of the roles that is described in the article itself. I won't explain it though. You'll have to read it to determine which role that might be.

Not at all. It could be this very limited scope article has been done before but on a much larger scale. Its also called a strawman fallacy or argument. We do it all the time around here. So why would i need to read a write up of how it applies to eve?

**CivilWars** · 11-27-12, 06:01 PM

EVE sucks, why are we talking about it?

Oh wait, did I miss the point of the OP like everyone else?

**SmokenScion** · 11-27-12, 06:49 PM

(1) Big generalizations are a danger sign.

(4) Remember that other people are rational.

(5) You won't change people's ideas by making them feel bad.

**iLLusioN** · 11-27-12, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

(1) Big generalizations are a danger sign.

(4) Remember that other people are rational.

(5) You won't change people's ideas by making them feel bad.

Then how can anything be debated on the interwebs!?!!?!?!?!

**Xavsnipe** · 11-28-12, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Pretty sure i already said that eve could be replaced and the argument applied toward something else. Thats why i said i dont mind it being here. I skimmed it very briefly but enough to know it is about eve but thats not important.

Thank you for allowing this thread to exist, Oh Almighty gaykeeper of the drama forums.

**iLLusioN** · 11-28-12, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

(1) Big generalizations are a danger sign.

(4) Remember that other people are rational.

(5) You won't change people's ideas by making them feel bad.

Btw, wasn't trying to be a dick with my comment...but that's how damn near all arguments/debates start, or end up as. I liked the article..it makes sense in alot of ways and could be applied in a lot of places. Other games, gaming companies, real life, politics, etc.