Thread: The numbers don't lie.

Originally Posted by Tenrou

Okay so then why shouldn't they?

Personal belief. Much like i could get upset i have never been very artist in nature but it wasn't my draw of the cards. I could get upset that aside from taking an actual test im fairly certain i can not have kids. Neither item upsets me because its just how things are by nature. Much like playing tummy sticks or scissors will never give you a kid. The choices, decisions, and luck of the draw all effect the type of life we can lead and what can happen in that life. Odds are i know at exactly what point my ability to have children went away much like every homosexual person knows their sexual partner will never be able to give them a child.

We spend to much of our time trying to make sure no ones feelings get hurt. Then they just something new to bitch about. Just as an example about a week ago i read an article on a lesbian couple. They paid a male to donate so they could have a child. Like many relationships it didn't last and now they have this guy in court looking for child support. That is our fault for thinking everyone DESERVES something when they dont. Call it whatever you will a choice, genetics, i dont care what but if you cant have a kid by whatever means it doesnt mean the world owes you a damn thing.

Sure i know whats coming next as im sure many other around here do. So please by all means start with the how many kids need homes, how we have come so far with our ability to give anyone a kid, or the homophobic nonsensical rants because in the end it will be what one person thinks versus what someone else thinks and neither are more then a point of view. Which is usually accompanied by some kind of insult whether it be flat out or passive because we dont see eye to eye. Who knows maybe a discussion could be made without it but in my time here it would be the first.

Has anyone mentioned Amillia Taylor?

Like you just said kids need good homes, and straight or not if these people can provide for a child we shouldn't because of a moral dilemma? Don't agree with you, but I'm not here to change your mind. The facts are there are plenty of kids in bad homes or have no place to call home. If a homosexual wants a kid that should be their recourse.

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

Not really. There just wasn't much point in debating his point because we've wasted countless other threads on it. I chose to address his statistics question instead by pointing out how many "unborn children" we kill each year really depends on when you believe they become "unborn children" rather than a fetus. For me....I don't consider them to be "unborn children" until they are developed to the point where there is a reasonable chance they could survive on their own outside the womb.

I disagree with you but this is actually a more reasonable view than politicians like President Obama, for example, who fought against a law designed to protect the lives of aborted babies who survive the procedure.

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

The fact that you see abortions as genocide against black people is astounding Laz....but honestly not all that shocking.

What's astounding but probably not all that shocking is your complete lack of understanding (or willful ignorance) of the facts regarding abortion, considering you support it. This is a sordid business, abortion. If I were a supporter I would damned sure understand the numbers. Here is some education for you from http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html:

Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.

According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 5 times as likely as white women to have an abortion

On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.

This incidence of abortion has resulted in a tremendous loss of life. It has been estimated that since 1973 Black women have had about 16 million abortions. Michael Novak had calculated "Since the number of current living Blacks (in the U.S.) is 36 million, the missing 16 million represents an enormous loss, for without abortion, America's Black community would now number 52 million persons. It would be 36 percent larger than it is. Abortion has swept through the Black community like a scythe, cutting down every fourth member."

Planned Parenthood was founded by eugenicist and white supremacist Margaret Sanger, whose support for abortion and stated intent for planned parenthood was to control the growth of races, and to eliminate the "inferior races". There is a lot more out there about abortion's effects on black people in America. It amounts to legal genocide and is a tragedy of epic proportions.

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

In the eyes of the law, it isn't. In the case of homicide, for example, it doesn't matter how developed the child/fetus is. If it doesn't take a breath, it's not considered homicide, it's considered an illegal abortion. If it DOES take a breath before you kill it, it's considered homicide.

You're wrong about that. Murdering a pregnant woman in the vast majority of states is a double homicide, despite your personal view.

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

I realize that's a bit of a roundabout way to answer your question, but the easiest answer is that everyone's definition is going to be different. Some believe life starts at conception, others when they can hear a heartbeat, and multiple other "checkpoints." You'll never be able to convince anyone of your point of view, no one else will be able to convince anyone else of their point of view.

~Morningfrost

No need to convince anyone of anything. Some things are damned obvious, and some people are in denial. Such is life.

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Since Obama was elected Planned Parenthood has reported record numbers of abortions year after year. Let's also ignore the fact that this represents nothing less than genocide for the African American community... But yeah Nuck, I know what you mean.

I guess you think that everything comes down to Obama.. Once again...

It's better that we have these facilities so these women can get the care they need without performing self inflicted abortions which can lead to many other medical issues.

Originally Posted by Warprosper

I guess you think that everything comes down to Obama.. Once again...

It's better that we have these facilities so these women can get the care they need without performing self inflicted abortions which can lead to many other medical issues.

It's interesting really. The number of deaths attributed to botched abortions was minuscule before it was legalized. Again, another thing that is easily researched using google. What I really want is for tax dollars to stop funding abortion. If it's legal the government does not have to sponsor it.

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

It's interesting really. The number of deaths attributed to botched abortions was minuscule before it was legalized. Again, another thing that is easily researched using google. What I really want is for tax dollars to stop funding abortion. If it's legal the government does not have to sponsor it.

It's not easily researched by google. The true numbers are not available due to policies we have in place to protect the medical information of these people. The numbers you research are those of the conspiratorial and hypocritical.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

He didnt say taking a breath. I did.

Au contraire, he did:

"In the case of homicide, for example, it doesn't matter how developed the child/fetus is. If it doesn't take a breath, it's not considered homicide, it's considered an illegal abortion. If it DOES take a breath before you kill it, it's considered homicide.
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