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**deathgodusmc** · 04-01-13, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

You want a law against blow jobs? Those are a sin.

I've been married 16 years. Whats a blow job again?

**Ranger10** · 04-01-13, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I think we're arguing pretty much the same side.

Agreed. I'm only here to help interpret things the way I've understood them. But my understanding is admittedly limited, even though I bet I have more working knowledge of the Bible than any two people here. I'm not saying that to sound arrogant, but I also know my audience. And even I have 'ah-ha' moments when I read something for the 5843685448th time.

Its not unlike science. Sometimes the answer can stare you in the face for so long you feel like a fool when you finally "see it".

But I always try to have these kinds of conversations with healthy dose of humility. My faith is not for everyone, though I wish is was. But you guys are big boys who can make your own choices about how you choose to see things. In all things, I will support that right to have that choice. Even if it means you choose a different lifestyle, political party, world view, or simply a different way to see the same things.

**Ranger10** · 04-01-13, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by SmokenScion

You want a law against blow jobs? Those are a sin.

Are they? "Honey... (Ranger calls into next room)... you're going to hell."

**deathgodusmc** · 04-01-13, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Ranger10

Agreed. I'm only here to help interpret things the way I've understood them. But my understanding is admittedly limited, even though I bet I have more working knowledge of the Bible than any two people here. I'm not saying that to sound arrogant, but I also know my audience. And even I have 'ah-ha' moments when I read something for the 5843685448th time.

Its not unlike science. Sometimes the answer can stare you in the face for so long you feel like a fool when you finally "see it".

But I always try to have these kinds of conversations with healthy dose of humility. My faith is not for everyone, though I wish is was. But you guys are big boys who can make your own choices about how you choose to see things. In all things, I will support that right to have that choice. Even if it means you choose a different lifestyle, political party, world view, or simply a different way to see the same things.

I like the its not unlike science line because i also think our interpretation can be completely wrong.

**Ranger10** · 04-01-13, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I like the its not unlike science line because i also think our interpretation can be completely wrong.

You'd be shocked at how close the pursuit of faith in God is like finding the Higgs Boson. You can't see it (Him), but it (He) HAS to be there.

**HeavyG** · 04-01-13, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I cant speak to IRA's but i can speak to medical which the benefit is actually 0. We cant sit around and pretend that there isnt free health care already. People take advantage of it every day.

What do you mean it is zero? Under my plan, when I had to go to the ER and stay 2 days in the hospital, I paid $250 and the insurance company paid the other $6k.

Now let's say it was my girlfriend, and she was unemployed and did not have my benefits. What do you think she would pay? Oh, lets not forget that I work for the biggest Pharmacy in America and get free perscriptions. Does she get that? No, because we are not married.

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**deathgodusmc** · 04-01-13, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by HeavyG

What do you mean it is zero? Under my plan, when I had to go to the ER and stay 2 days in the hospital, I paid $250 and the insurance company paid the other $6k.

Now let's say it was my girlfriend, and she was unemployed and did not have my benefits. What do you think she would pay? Oh, lets not forget that I work for the biggest Pharmacy in America and get free perscriptions. Does she get that? No, because we are not married.

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Its $250 because you like myself pay your bills. There are plenty that know damn well they can shit can the bill.

**HeavyG** · 04-01-13, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Its $250 because you like myself pay your bills. There are plenty that know damn well they can shit can the bill.

Not without consequence. Not if you want to obtain credit, which can allow you to finance a home or car (at very least without paying outrageous interest rates). Credit can even help you get a job if you need government clearance, or even in banking if you have access to large sums of money.

Your logic may be true when talking about idiots that decide not to pay because the think they can get away with it. Those same idiots will never get a new car with $0 down or 0% APR. They will pay tens of thousands more for their home during the life of the loan because they have a much higher rate. The will have trouble trying to get a loan to start up a business if the bank sees they just choose not to pay things like a $250 hospital bill.

But I was referring to the fact that my insurance is great, and once I get married, so would hers. We would probably save around $1500/year. It isnt a ton, but it would pay the mortgage for a month. A hospital stay would cost us thousands on her plan.

My point being, many people.would receive superior medical benefits if they were married. At very least, the cost both parties pay out of pocket would be greatly reduced, you share a deductible, etc.

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**deathgodusmc** · 04-01-13, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by HeavyG

Not without consequence. Not if you want to obtain credit, which can allow you to finance a home or car (at very least without paying outrageous interest rates). Credit can even help you get a job if you need government clearance, or even in banking if you have access to large sums of money.

Your logic may be true when talking about idiots that decide not to pay because the think they can get away with it. Those same idiots will never get a new car with $0 down or 0% APR. They will pay tens of thousands more for their home during the life of the loan because they have a much higher rate. The will have trouble trying to get a loan to start up a business if the bank sees they just choose not to pay things like a $250 hospital bill.

But I was referring to the fact that my insurance is great, and once I get married, so would hers. We would probably save around $1500/year. It isnt a ton, but it would pay the mortgage for a month. A hospital stay would cost us thousands on her plan.

My point being, many people.would receive superior medical benefits if they were married. At very least, the cost both parties pay out of pocket would be greatly reduced, you share a deductible, etc.

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Just so have this clear you think someone that cant afford insurance is concerned about how an unpaid medical bill is going to effect his credit portfolio?

**HeavyG** · 04-01-13, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Just so have this clear you think someone that cant afford insurance is concerned about how an unpaid medical bill is going to effect his credit portfolio?

You are missing the point. It is about married couples paying LESS than single individuals. If you are a scum bag and dont pay your bills or if you are poor and cannot afford to pay them, then maybe if you were married and under the benefits of your spouse, the bills wouldnt be unpayable.

Look, bottom line is that there are many reasons marriage can benefit 2 persons over both being single. If you just want to throw in hypothetical "what ifs", then you shouldnt be discussing this.

If the people dont care about their credit, they pribably dont care about a lot of stuff like paying of credit cards, paying their utilities, paying taxes...

Sure, there are lots of people like that, but they are not the hard working people that want to do right, pay bills, and use benefits and follow a fair system filled with opportunities if you are employed and eligible for benefits, let alone taking advantage of the tax benefits.

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