Fox News "interviews" Reza Aslan. Most embarrassing interview by Fox yet?

**SmokenScion** · 07-29-13, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Aslan misrepresents what scripture says, he misrepresents the history at the time, Roman law and the Roman relationship with the Jews, and various other sundry things I'm not going to discuss right now.

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

But when people say they don't think I'm right and don't show me anything to counter the facts I've produced, well that won't fly with me.

Oh Damn I just threw my popcorn across the Room, BOO! This is getting good,
<opens a Snickers>
::irony::

**Kanati** · 07-29-13, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

I do not claim to be Jesus, or anywhere close to his level, but last time I read the Bible the example he gave is that he loved others, and through his love their lives were changed. I didn't read anywhere that because he had the most knowledge on the subject he beat people into submission with that knowledge to the point they had no choice but to believe. Maybe it happened, and I just missed it.

Goddammit... Made me like a civil post...

**Alundil** · 07-29-13, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Interesting argument but that's not what Aslan is getting at in his book. His book presupposes that Jesus was a historical figure and does point to facts and history in that regard. But then he mixes that with bullshit that comes right out of the Muslim playbook that discounts the miracles Christ performed (which were widely written about) and tries to make him just like every other self proclaimed Jewish king, etc. etc. Essentially, it's just - Christ was a man, and that's all he was. Not even that special really. When the evidence for that "specialness" based on eyewitness accounts alone is overwhelming. It's just a hit job on Jesus the historical figure and not just the divine figure to refer to your earlier point.

Because the following:
"...bullshit that comes right out of the Muslim playbook that discounts the miracles Christ performed..."
Isn't a "hit job" or a comment so deeply rooted in the "I'm right and what I was taught and believe is right" forest that you can't see the simple fact that you're basically arguing a centuries old (millenia really at this point) he said she said, ergo, the trees.....

I'm through with this topic though - it might cause me to break out the more flowery words and language and I actually don't have time to further the millionth pointless iteration of a dead (and quite frankly hackneyed) argument over which dead book written by dead men about other dead men demanding all other men (dead or otherwise) follow their instructions to the finely pointed (yet totally interpreted) "T".

How many licks does it take to get to the center?
It's quite funny that a cartoon owl who asks a factual question and yet then takes a completely arbitrary action/ruling/judgement could have such an interesting parallel on the various religions that Man has found himself in over the centuries.

Enjoy the merry-go-round folks. I hear the carny still has tickets to sell. Everyone looking for a ride is sure to get their turn

**Morningfrost** · 07-29-13, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Kanati8869

My money is 100% on the latter.

You sir, should stop playing the odds. People hate a "safe" gambler, so boring

~Morningfrost

**Morningfrost** · 07-29-13, 07:43 PM

Laz, Azlan may not believe in Christ's "divinity" as a scholar, but he clearly did believe on a personal level at some point in the past. All that aside, how in the fuck is anyone going to write a scholarly book on "miracles" performed 2000+ years ago? You can't. So instead, what a scholar would do is write based upon the information that was available....which appears to be what Azlan did. Also, in his interview he stated that there are differences between what Muslim's typically believe and what he states in the book. He gives two, though I only distinctly remember one....in that Muslim's apparently do believe in the virgin birth, but that he had scholarly doubts. I think the other was that the Muslims do not believe Jesus was crucified, while Azlan stated that the majority of historical records (and his book) agree that he was.

That being said, my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt, because I have not read the book (or even heard of it, before this thread). However, now I'm curious and there's a good chance it will be one of the next books I read.

~Morningfrost

**WickedTribe** · 07-29-13, 07:47 PM

I just watched that. Good old Fox News.

**Red_Lizard2** · 07-30-13, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by triggerhappy2005

Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow do it for example but not all.

Wait, Chris Matthews shuts up long enough to let someone he is interviewing talk? =o

**-Lazarus-** · 07-30-13, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Yes, we are quite different, and here is how. I have faith in Jesus Christ. I believe he was and is who the Bible claims him to be. But you know what I also understand? I understand that I am never going to beat someone over the head with enough logic about Jesus, God, the Bible, or anything else to do with religion to make them believe, so I don't even get into the debate. Trigger, Wicked, Fov, and I go way back, and I am sure they will tell you I have dropped out of debates when they have straight up asked me to draw them a map to heaven simply because I know one does not exist in the form that they are looking for. If one did exist then it would require no faith whatsoever to believe, no?

When I look at your posts I see the same faith, but because you have this faith you come across with the arrogance than everyone should see it as plainly as you do, and guess what, it doesn't happen like that. If what you say you believe is true then you have read the stories of Saul/Paul. Some people here are Saul, but will one day maybe be a Paul. Some were Paul, and now are Saul, and others will likely always be Saul. Your "facts" aren't going to change that, and to be perfectly honest, your attitude likely does more to push people away than draw them in.

I do not claim to be Jesus, or anywhere close to his level, but last time I read the Bible the example he gave is that he loved others, and through his love their lives were changed. I didn't read anywhere that because he had the most knowledge on the subject he beat people into submission with that knowledge to the point they had no choice but to believe. Maybe it happened, and I just missed it.

Anywho, we can get back to how much of a d-bag this chick was regardless of whether she follow Osama bin Laden, Billy Graham, or L Ron Hubbard.

Well it's more than just faith that should drive your belief in Christ. That he was a real person in history and there are historical accounts of him and his teachings should give any believer strength. I'm not arrogant enough to think that I'm going to convince someone who has renounced God and mocks those who believe in Him to change, but I also won't abide by someone lying about what scripture says or what Jesus himself said or did either, as a matter of history or faith. Because Civil, you never know who might be reading this but not commenting. If only a mocking non-believer's side is adequately represented then we have both failed, you and I.

**CivilWars** · 07-30-13, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Well it's more than just faith that should drive your belief in Christ. That he was a real person in history and there are historical accounts of him and his teachings should give any believer strength. I'm not arrogant enough to think that I'm going to convince someone who has renounced God and mocks those who believe in Him to change, but I also won't abide by someone lying about what scripture says or what Jesus himself said or did either, as a matter of history or faith. Because Civil, you never know who might be reading this but not commenting. If only a mocking non-believer's side is adequately represented then we have both failed, you and I.

I just have one question for you. How many people did Jesus win over by insulting or arguing with them? Based on my readings none, but for you that seems to be your go to tactic around here. Bottom line is you don't get it, and based on past experience no matter how many people try to explain it to you you will never get it.

**SourceSkills** · 07-30-13, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Well it's more than just faith that should drive your belief in Christ. That he was a real person in history and there are historical accounts of him and his teachings should give any believer strength. I'm not arrogant enough to think that I'm going to convince someone who has renounced God and mocks those who believe in Him to change, but I also won't abide by someone lying about what scripture says or what Jesus himself said or did either, as a matter of history or faith. Because Civil, you never know who might be reading this but not commenting. If only a mocking non-believer's side is adequately represented then we have both failed, you and I.

Where are these historical accounts you speak of?

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