Thread: This speech is a great example of the fundamentals of conservative values.

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

1. I did you the honor of actually reading this tripe. Didn't need to but since you watched the video I decided to read it.

2. You loaded this with mischaracterizations of meaning, over-generalizations, and all kinds of other pseudo-bullshit. It's not even worth addressing one of them.

3. There's a term for people who do this. Liberal Drone, or lately the term is "Obama Drone".

4. The way I see it, this obviously hit close to home for you. It is an in-your-face indictment of what you believe. No wonder you responded this way and with such vitriol and sarcasm. Here's the problem. The policies and beliefs of the left aren't working. Period. And they never will. I noticed you completely ignored the cell phone example in the speech. You know that is true as well as the rest of what is being said here. Maybe some day you'll get over your denial and admit these things. If not, I'm ok with it.

As for stereotypes, it's liberals living up to the stereotypes that got us in this mess in the first place, from the housing bubble to this foreign relations crisis we're in now. But you go ahead and keep denying it. That's fine. Liberal Progressives are generally not evil. Just unrealistic and lacking understanding of human nature. It's why the Soviet Union failed, you see.

Do you REALLY believe that Liberal Policies got us into the mess we are in? All I've seen since Jimmy Carter are policies which are right of center - upto and including Obama.

Originally Posted by iravedic

Do you REALLY believe that Liberal Policies got us into the mess we are in? All I've seen since Jimmy Carter are policies which are right of center - upto and including Obama.

Speaking of Carter - how did HE do? Give me a break Ira. What a tired, transparent argument. Obama is so far left he makes Bill Clinton look like Ronald Reagan. Right of center my ass.

LMAO - Bill Clinton did look a lot like Ronald Reagan. Both were right of center. It has been a Long time since real liberal policies were advanced in this country - and yeah Carter was not a great president by any estimation.

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

4. The way I see it, this obviously hit close to home for you. It is an in-your-face indictment of what you believe. No wonder you responded this way and with such vitriol and sarcasm. Here's the problem. The policies and beliefs of the left aren't working. Period. And they never will. I noticed you completely ignored the cell phone example in the speech. You know that is true as well as the rest of what is being said here. Maybe some day you'll get over your denial and admit these things. If not, I'm ok with it.

No, it was more like a contact high. Whittle spent 99% of his time making stupid statements about progressives and it rubbed off and started making me more sarcastic and making "vitriolic" comments. I did mention the cell phone thing, in specifically that liberals aren't about taking your cell phone or xbox. As for what he said being true, Ha!

Originally Posted by iravedic

Do you REALLY believe that Liberal Policies got us into the mess we are in? All I've seen since Jimmy Carter are policies which are right of center - upto and including Obama.

You have to remember Ira this is America, where right of center is now "Extreme left socialism!"

By the way, said I'd do it for movies so, while not all of them this one covers enough to prove the point wrong:
10 Best Movie Villains of 2012

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

1. I did you the honor of actually reading this tripe. Didn't need to but since you watched the video I decided to read it.

2. You loaded this with mischaracterizations of meaning, over-generalizations, and all kinds of other pseudo-bullshit. It's not even worth addressing one of them.

3. There's a term for people who do this. Liberal Drone, or lately the term is "Obama Drone".

4. The way I see it, this obviously hit close to home for you. It is an in-your-face indictment of what you believe. No wonder you responded this way and with such vitriol and sarcasm. Here's the problem. The policies and beliefs of the left aren't working. Period. And they never will. I noticed you completely ignored the cell phone example in the speech. You know that is true as well as the rest of what is being said here. Maybe some day you'll get over your denial and admit these things. If not, I'm ok with it.

As for stereotypes, it's liberals living up to the stereotypes that got us in this mess in the first place, from the housing bubble to this foreign relations crisis we're in now. But you go ahead and keep denying it. That's fine. Liberal Progressives are generally not evil. Just unrealistic and lacking understanding of human nature. It's why the Soviet Union failed, you see.

Laz, I made it through almost exactly 7 min of this man's vitriol before I just couldn't take anymore.

He presented no real arguments during those 7 minutes. He made multiple jokes at the expense of liberals (though referring to them as traitor narcissist weenies is way more than a joke), and didn't even bother to imply, but flat out said that if you know the theme song to Family Guy then you believe in anti-America, anti-Christian, anti-whatever stuff.

If this speech is a "great example of the fundamentals of conservative values", then it's no wonder that Conservatives find it difficult to win elections lately. This speech was needlessly combative and did nothing to inform. It was intended for people who are ALREADY Conservatives.

So yeah, of course you think the speech was awesome. You were the target audience. You want people who AREN'T already Conservatives to watch your video and actually think about it? Try posting something that isn't rhetoric.

~Morningfrost

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Didn't need to but since you watched the video I decided to read it.

+1

Originally Posted by Morningfrost

Laz, I made it through almost exactly 7 min of this man's vitriol before I just couldn't take anymore.

He presented no real arguments during those 7 minutes. He made multiple jokes at the expense of liberals (though referring to them as traitor narcissist weenies is way more than a joke), and didn't even bother to imply, but flat out said that if you know the theme song to Family Guy then you believe in anti-America, anti-Christian, anti-whatever stuff.

If this speech is a "great example of the fundamentals of conservative values", then it's no wonder that Conservatives find it difficult to win elections lately. This speech was needlessly combative and did nothing to inform. It was intended for people who are ALREADY Conservatives.

So yeah, of course you think the speech was awesome. You were the target audience. You want people who AREN'T already Conservatives to watch your video and actually think about it? Try posting something that isn't rhetoric.

~Morningfrost

You know who I could give two shits about? Dyed in the wool, liberal drones. I'm talking about the kind of people who would watch this video for the express purpose of putting it down before they even heard one word of it. I'm tired of my fellow conservatives trying to "work with the other side". Because the liberal leadership in Washington, they aren't interested in working with anyone. They're interested in advancing their agenda. And they are RELENTLESS. They've towed this country left for 50 years with their bullshit, to the point where someone can sit there and try and say that Barack Obama is a moderate or even right of center. So you know what? Screw them. I could give a shit about convincing a liberal that conservative values are the way to go - because as I see it, sooner or later the weight of their own ideology's bullshit will crush them under it, and they'll come around all by themselves. I've seen it a million times. It didn't happen in the last election. Oh, but it will. I'm just worried how far down the idiot rabbit hole we'll have to go before that happens because the liberal establishment has done quite a snow job on the American people. It took a President who wasn't even nearly as shitty as this one for the entire country to get behind conservative values but the result was Ronald Reagan, and an amazing era of American prosperity followed.

Here's a telling albeit a small sign, I think... The book "The Liberty Amendments" by Mark Levin has been the #1 nonfiction hardcover book the last 3 weeks in a row (and that's because it's not available in softcover yet). It's also the #1 combined eBook/print book for the same period. Levin is being mobbed at book signings. Entire towns are coming out to see him. I highly recommend you read it.

The conservative movement isn't about Right and Left. It's about right and wrong. Doing right by everyone, and opportunity for all, not just asking "what's in it for me?".

I stand firmly by what this man said in that speech, for anyone to see. For some, it will just expose their own ideology's flawed, twisted inability to deal with reality. For others, it will be a call to action, to rid ourselves of the idiots and their bureaucracies in Washington that got us into this mess in the first place. Ronald Reagan said it best when he said:

“Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”
-Ronald Reagan

Reagan

If you don't agree with that, then, well, you can sit back and watch history repeat itself, as it is oft to do.