Thread: Well John Kerry sure isn't helping...

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Because they were all too busy getting the American people to buy into the us versus them(as in R versus D) political deathmatch that keeps us from actually focusing on the fact that we are getting fucked by both sides.

#meetthenewbosssameastheoldboss

Well according to political compass type stuff, both sides are pretty much the same. Just one side is a bit farther right then the other, but they are both to the right (In fact on the political compass site, they have every blue state (by votes of it's senators) slightly right and slightly authoritarian). Did you check the links (in another thread) by the way? Thought you'd get a kick out of '04 Bush position and '08/'12 Obama position on the chart.

I saw the links on my phone, then forgot to check them out when I was back on my comp.

As for the right/left, liberal/conservative, nut/nut argument it is all relative. Are saying left is socialism/communism and right is anarchy? Are we comparing where America was when founded and where it is today? Are we measuring modern main stream Rs and Ds? What is the scale we are measuring by that determines right, center, and left?

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

Ok that was some funny shit right there... lol I completely agree. Although, you left out that the beginnings of our economic woes started under Clinton too...

President Clinton and a Republican-controlled congress, followed by almost a decade of Republican control. Even if this was the cause of the crisis, why didn't the fiscally-responsible Republicans step in and fix it?

Actually they tried to. The bills they proposed were stopped more than once in committee by the Democrats - To his credit, Bill Clinton was working with the Republicans to try and regulate it but they failed.

Read up on it here sir:Housing Bubble, Financial Crisis – What Happened, Who is Responsible | TJ Hancock



Yep. Democrats, seeking to create utopia, kicked off the housing crisis and fought to prevent regulation tooth and nail for years. Plenty of blam to go round, but the evidence is all there. But now they libs try to re-write history - "It's Bush's fault!", they cry. For what? For everything. Hell even Syria, somehow, is Bush's fault in some circles. Really it's comical.


See, here's an example to look at - usually what happens next here is that someone, maybe even you Wicked, will first put down and talk shit about the credibility of my linked sources even though two of them are Bill Clinton speaking himself on the same topic and supporting my point. Then someone else will personally attack me, maybe suggest I'm wearing a tinfoil hat or mischaracterize what I've said, or call me a bigot, a "denier" or some other flashy name the liberal media has devised for people in my category of thinking, or a blind Republican supporter, etc. etc. (depends on the topic, really)

None of which changes the facts that I've posted. But then comes the part I dislike the most, what people try and do is change the topic to an argument about something other than the topic - because it sucks to be wrong. Then comes someone else who sees this thread and declares it to be a worthless bunch of posts where we're flaming each other when that wasn't what it was to start with. So, there's that I guess.

I'm just happy to debate a topic with you honestly and to the point, as long as you want to do the same.

Originally Posted by CivilWars

As for the right/left, liberal/conservative, nut/nut argument it is all relative. Are saying left is socialism/communism and right is anarchy? Are we comparing where America was when founded and where it is today? Are we measuring modern main stream Rs and Ds? What is the scale we are measuring by that determines right, center, and left?

I'd argue it is basically how much control the Government has over the economies of the State. Far Left-Communism (Total state control), Far Right-Laissez-faire. Socially, not much social policy involves right/left (outside of welfare and such, which could be considered more economic side then social), it's just both parties have chosen certain social issues and their stances on them.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Thats not what they are saying. You just spun that like Hanity would.

Ok what are they saying then? All of them are saying Assad didn't do it.

Originally Posted by CivilWars

As for the right/left, liberal/conservative, nut/nut argument it is all relative. Are saying left is socialism/communism and right is anarchy? Are we comparing where America was when founded and where it is today? Are we measuring modern main stream Rs and Ds? What is the scale we are measuring by that determines right, center, and left?

I'd say the best measure is a constitutional one. How does each side traditionally view the constitution and the role of government? The left wants bigger government and more government control and intrusion into our lives and liberties. The Constitution is a guideline. The right traditionally wants smaller government and less intrusion. The constitution is the law of the land. Recently though, the Republican party has been hijacked by assholes that want to grow government and spend just as much as the Democrats it seems, and who continue to do things that go against the constitution. So yeah there are similarities, for about the last 15 years or so.

If Republicans get back to basics, this problem will resolve itself and the McCains and Boehners of the world will go away.