Thread: Hatin' on WWII vets?

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I believe your right on that. However since we're talking about people just walking around i feel it is a fair comparison.

It's absolutely a fair comparison - hell the primary purpose of many of the National Parks is to get the hell away from everything and doesn't involve anyone from the NPS. But as the articles I posted above indicate it's not that simple, the NPS is in charge of the facilities and during the shutdown can't risk incurring any liability.

Originally Posted by Warprosper

You haven't proven anyone wrong. That's the problem Laz... No one here is disagreeing that it sad they did this.. It is sad.. We've all said it.
The point that you seem to be making here is that Obama directly closed these things down.. As if he sat in his chair, made a phone call, and told them to close down the WW2 memorial in hopes that he would piss off the tea party. This is what we are disagreeing on. This is where you have failed to provide credible sources. The second someone says something in the opposite of you, we get bombarded with right wing propaganda from sites who ask for donations and display tea party advertisements. It's simple Laz, you're the target audience of those sources. I am not.

You're the one who creates the hyperbolic claim that I said Barack Obama called up someone and said "shut it all down", or that Barack Obama placed the barricades himself in a pathetic attempt to make claims that the Obama Administration ordered the shutdown look silly.

The bottom line fact is that the President did order the shutdown of these monuments and his administration did order that barricades be placed in public, open spaces to prevent people from walking around - different than any other shutdown. This wouldn't happen without his directive.

So be as hyperbolic as you like, but it still doesn't change the facts.

Originally Posted by WickedTribe

I'm not misrepresenting, my ellipsis clearly indicates that that's an incomplete quote, but one that I feel captures the truth quite well.

I'm going to ask that you please not misrepresent someone by manipulating their own words again. You're better than that, and it demeans the forum when you do it.

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

You're the one who creates the hyperbolic claim that I said Barack Obama called up someone and said "shut it all down", or that Barack Obama placed the barricades himself in a pathetic attempt to make claims that the Obama Administration ordered the shutdown look silly.

The bottom line fact is that the President did order the shutdown of these monuments and his administration did order that barricades be placed in public, open spaces to prevent people from walking around - different than any other shutdown. This wouldn't happen without his directive.

So be as hyperbolic as you like, but it still doesn't change the facts.

The times change - as does the appreciation of risks associated with those times. In the last shutdown the country was wildly different from a security and access stand point. It was also very different when it comes to liability concerns.

Originally Posted by iravedic

The times change - as does the appreciation of risks associated with those times. In the last shutdown the country was wildly different from a security and access stand point. It was also very different when it comes to liability concerns.

I'm calling bullshit. The police presence is exactly the same as the day before the lincoln memorial was blocked off, and the liability issue was too. Absolutely no difference between last Friday and today on both counts.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I can see your point but if i remember correctly and its been a long time since i've been there signs are already posted for that purpose.

LOL - those silly little disclaimer signs don't give the Plaintiffs bar a single pause when it comes to filling a lawsuit.

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

I'm calling bullshit. The police presence is exactly the same as the day before the lincoln memorial was blocked off, and the liability issue was too. Absolutely no difference between last Friday and today on both counts.

What does the fact that the Park Police are still there have to do with anything I've said? The fact that the Park Police are there does nothing to prevent a violation of the Antideficiency Act.

And you entirely missed my point - compare the world from 1996 to today. Lawsuits happen that change the landscape of potential liability, planes are crashed into buildings and security and access to public locations change - as does the perspective of the people in charge of public facilities.