Thread: A brilliant response to anti-abortion harassment

Originally Posted by iravedic

Okay Laz, you want to get in the weeds fine - discount the Politfacts article all you want, IMO it rings more true than the dribble you posted from WND - but let others judge that. The main problem with your post is that you, and WND, take sections of a text book and seek to condemn not only an individual but the entire Obama administration - again falling into the commonplace far right rhetoric comparing the Obama administration to the Nazi's.

You take an isolated obscure reference from a text box that hasn't been in publication for decades as PROOF that Holdren is a disgusting human being. Yet he was unanimously appointed by the Senate - I guess they are all in on it too (whatever 'it' may be). Go look at his confirmation hearing testimony: - NOMINATIONS TO THE EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT AND THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE ; or how about his CV: http://ksgfaculty.harvard.edu/facult...ohnHoldren.pdf - before you fly off the handle and make a wild accusation about the man. His politics may differ from yours but that doesn't make him a "disgusting human being" akin to a Nazi war criminal- if I judged you solely by your posts in this forum I would likely have a different impression of you than I do.

Think for yourself for a change of pace once in a while.

Well Obama hired the guy Ira. If you can't judge people by the company they keep, that would be a new one on me. Just sayin'.

As for Holdren saying whatever he needed to in order to get the job, well there's a lot of that going around in Washington; and it starts at the top.

Again, just sayin'.

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Well Obama hired the guy Ira. If you can't judge people by the company they keep, that would be a new one on me. Just sayin'.

As for Holdren saying whatever he needed to in order to get the job, well there's a lot of that going around in Washington; and it starts at the top.

Again, just sayin'.

Okay, then I will judge you solely by your posts, if you EVER said it then it must be your absolute final statement on any particular subject and I can use it for whatever I see fit - Good to know.

Originally Posted by iravedic

Okay, then I will judge you solely by your posts, if you EVER said it then it must be your absolute final statement on any particular subject and I can use it for whatever I see fit - Good to know.

Ira, how about this... When I write a book on a subject (which takes a lot of time and effort to do I might add) - expect me to have a pretty firm lifelong belief regarding that subject. Unless I specifically say that I was wrong about what I thought and take it back. If Holdren did that I might be satisfied. Otherwise he's a douchenozzle. That's all.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

At some point in time you max out what can be produced. We aren't there yet but eventually it will happen unless we find different methods of doing things. Once it gets close to that you'll see food and water go the way of ammo the last couple years. Plenty for the gov but not so much for the little guy.

These issues can be easily resolved given enough time. Considering it would be hundreds of years (if not more) before we get to the point you're describing, I think there's plenty of time to solve that problem, provided businesses have the opportunity to do it and governments get the hell out of the way. Shit in 100 years I doubt seriously we'll all even still be living on Earth, and think that there's a decent chance we'll be in the midst of an amazing age of space exploration. Increases in technology and compute power will bring about some startling game changing changes that none of us have even thought about yet, in all areas of human existence, including this bullshit about how we're gonna suck the earth dry of all its resources. (yeah and the polar icecaps will cease to exist as well right?) Come on DG, we'll be just fine. We need to stop being so arrogant thinking that we have to control everything up to and including who gets born and who does not.

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

Ira, how about this... When I write a book on a subject (which takes a lot of time and effort to do I might add) - expect me to have a pretty firm lifelong belief regarding that subject. Unless I specifically say that I was wrong about what I thought and take it back. If Holdren did that I might be satisfied. Otherwise he's a douchenozzle. That's all.

LOL - that's the fucking point - take the statement from the book in CONTEXT and actually read what he says. You read the text and get anywhere close to abortion and your done - but he doesn't say that. He says that conditions may exist in the FUTURE which COULD make people choose these more radical steps. Time has shown that the evil he feared - unsustainable population growth - has in fact not occurred. That merely means that his supposition was incorrect.

But at its base - he clearly supports abortion and/or other population control measures. And for you that is a non-starter. Fuck - leave it at that. You disagree with the guy about his stance on a topic you hold near and dear - I get it. Neither you nor I have met the man to my knowledge, but all 100 of the members of the US senate agreed that he was fit for the job - ALL OF THEM. This guy is not a Nazi - and to insinuate such is vile and unbecoming on your part fueled by the dribble you find on the internet.

I'll say it again - go find better informed and rational sources if you are going to parrot the shit you find on the internet.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

In order to have that argument we have to establish what we're referring to as living. What is the living space required for each person. If we're saying standing room yes you have ,going by a rounded number of 7 billion, 106 ft of living space per person. I dont know about you but thats not living in my book and thats without figuring where to grow you shit, park your car that there will be no roads for because then you removed other peoples living space, sleeping quarters, shower, toilet, place to cook, and so on. Its a stupid argument all together because fitting in one place does not equal being able to live but by all means give your standard of living and we can discuss it.

I too have never heard of multi-story buildings and believe that everyone in Manhattan lives side by side in a paltry amount of space.

Not saying that we could sustain 7+ billion people in Texas, but I will guarantee that if we tried we could give each of them more than 100 sqft.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I mentioned buildings like that earlier. So try to keep up because it makes smart ass seem like dumb ass. I asked for his definition of living because things require so much space and its not just people.

You may have mentioned it, but then you do math and state we can't have roads because then people couldn't have their space. Everyone in the world living in a space the size of Texas is quite a stupid argument either way, but to assume that if it did have to happen that anyone would think it would be without the aid of some type of multi-level living quarters is even more retarded.