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Well, if I could afford a Tesla like my several of my relatives. QQ

Originally Posted by DJ Mr. White

Well, if I could afford a Tesla like my several of my relatives. QQ

My buddy Steve Wozniak has a Tesla. He calls it a work of art but not useful in real driving conditions. He tried to drive it to Vegas a while back and barely made it to charging stations along the way, going 55mph. He said that he heard from other people while charging who had to be towed in to the charging station. Then he had to wait an hour at each one to charge the car. What a pain in the ass. I'll take my Hyundai Sonata Hybrid, thankyuoverymuch.

Originally Posted by Ranger10

I personally would like to see us become a high tech, agrarian society with smaller communities where we use technology to produce as much locally as we can. While I don't think global warming is a serious as some think, I DO think taking care of our planets resources is important. I would LOVE to see tech like hydrogen fuel cell cars take off as we learn to harness the power of the sun better. With graphene getting closer to commercial usability, Artifical Leaf technology (see Sun Catalytix) and electrolyzers, we can create some pretty cool energy solutions from nothing but solar.

When we can attack the "global warming" issue from a holistic, economic based series of solutions, THEN it will have the added effect of reducing green house emissions. Simply creating policies because it's easier and quicker will always result in resistance.

The problem right now as you described it is even worse than that. What I mean is that policies being put into place are being put there to create new markets to make rich people money, and to create unfair competitive advantages in existing markets to make rich people money. The shit legislation passed nowadays has absolutely zero to do with protecting the environment and everything to do with special interests and money. The entire global warming movement is in the same boat.

This is the difference between Corporatism and Capitalism, and it's a distinction that a lot of people don't understand. There is sure as hell a lot of corporatism happening with liberal progressives in charge.

Who is John Galt? :-)

If everyone drove a Tesla, we would have mountains of toxic battery waste in less than a decade. It would be an enviromental disaster.

And Hydrogen fuel cell driven cars will never become mainstream. The infrastructure isn't there, and isn't close. Mom and Pop gas stations would have to convert at an extremely high cost, or die.

But we are on the right track with developing their respective technologies. The more we can use, and the less we waste, the better off we are. Man-made global warming is nothing more than a bs sales pitch, but if it also a motivator that steers people towards conservation, some good can come out of it. Take lighting for example......

The global warming sales people pushed the cfl lamps as an enviromentally safe alternative to the Edison-based incandescant. So, instead of light bulbs made in say Iowa, they are all made (because they contain Mercury) in India and China, and then spend quite a bit of time being shipped by diesel cargo ship, dispersed by diesel locomotive, and hauled/delivered by diesel semi trucks. They use more energy than any incandescant just getting to their users. Then, since your average homeowner is stupid and lazy, most of the Mercury contaminated cfls end up in the local dump, and eventually the water supply. All under the guise of saving the planet. Huge crock of shit.

The real-deal was just around the corner. The LED lamp. No Mercury (not even Freddie), no need to produce them overseas, and no toxic waste. They use 1/6 of the electricity of an Edison lamp, and many carry a 30,000 hour life expectancy (~4 hours a day for 30+ years). They cost a bit more (less every day), but their proliferation is being helped by the motivation that Capt. Planet and others have created. Sometimes, out of bullshit grows some roses.

Originally Posted by dex71

If everyone drove a Tesla, we would have mountains of toxic battery waste in less than a decade. It would be an enviromental disaster.

And Hydrogen fuel cell driven cars will never become mainstream. The infrastructure isn't there, and isn't close. Mom and Pop gas stations would have to convert at an extremely high cost, or die.

But we are on the right track with developing their respective technologies. The more we can use, and the less we waste, the better off we are. Man-made global warming is nothing more than a bs sales pitch, but if it also a motivator that steers people towards conservation, some good can come out of it. Take lighting for example......

The global warming sales people pushed the cfl lamps as an enviromentally safe alternative to the Edison-based incandescant. So, instead of light bulbs made in say Iowa, they are all made (because they contain Mercury) in India and China, and then spend quite a bit of time being shipped by diesel cargo ship, dispersed by diesel locomotive, and hauled/delivered by diesel semi trucks. They use more energy than any incandescant just getting to their users. Then, since your average homeowner is stupid and lazy, most of the Mercury contaminated cfls end up in the local dump, and eventually the water supply. All under the guise of saving the planet. Huge crock of shit.

The real-deal was just around the corner. The LED lamp. No Mercury (not even Freddie), no need to produce them overseas, and no toxic waste. They use 1/6 of the electricity of an Edison lamp, and many carry a 30,000 hour life expectancy (~4 hours a day for 30+ years). They cost a bit more (less every day), but their proliferation is being helped by the motivation that Capt. Planet and others have created. Sometimes, out of bullshit grows some roses.

True on the LED's, but they are gouging us from a price perspective. I can buy a super bright fucking LED flashlight for $3 but an LED version of a 60 watt bulb is $10? Fuck that.

The Annual Global Warming Thread.
Reminds me of the days of the Annual Team stacking threads.
Speaking of which the Climate Change is a Natural Occurrence Team is STACKED! GTFO!!!
TEAM STACKING!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by -Lazarus-

True on the LED's, but they are gouging us from a price perspective. I can buy a super bright fucking LED flashlight for $3 but an LED version of a 60 watt bulb is $10? Fuck that.

Edison based incandescant lamp = ~$1, but has to be replaced every year, and a 60 Watt draws 1/2 an Amp every time the switch is flipped.

Typical LED replacement (~equal to a 60 Watt ic lamp) = $10-15, but lasts for 30+ years (1/3 to 1/2 the cost/year), and uses ~1/12th of an Amp when the switch is flipped.

LED lamps are MUCH cheaper in the long run, with no chemical hangovers.

And they are getting cheaper, literally, by the day. When installed throughout the entire house, they not only make a noticable economic difference, but a mechanical one as well. Less load on the electrical system (which happens almost never......Hell, even vacuum cleaners and hair dryers are now sporting 12 Amp motors), and no heat. A house-full of 60 and 75 Watt lamps is actively working againsed your Summer cooling budget, and not in a small way.