Thread: Bundy Ranch Showdown

Bundy Ranch - What You're Not Being Told - YouTube

Anyone been following this?

last I heard it was over. Well... i still expect them to go the legal route, but the standoff being over anyway.

I have been following it. Its actually quite an interesting debacle.

One thing that i have learned from it is, there is no better reflection of hate in a America than in the comments section of Bundy Ranch related articles from sites like Think Progress, MSNBC and others of that political persuasion. Not to mention the sheer small mindedness of the articles authors and commenting public at large.

By much of the logic displayed in those comment selections, i believe were (many of) those people allowed to comment on issues in such a forum, in say December of 1955, those people would be screaming to have Rosa Parks locked up for breaking the rules. No i am not drawing a comparison between Cliven Bundy and Rosa Parks, only history can do that.

I think it is interesting because what does one do if they feel federal law is utter garbage? Go to federal court before judges appointed by the federal politicians that created the utterly garbage federal law to begin with? Regardless of whether I think he is right or wrong for not paying the fee to use the land I support his desire to say this is BS.

It's also interesting in that this is the first time I've ever seen it come down to the feds circling the wagons around someone and then doing an about-face retreat in the face of an armed populace saying "no. we don't think so. You are wrong and we're not going to allow it."

The Harry Reid and family connection is troubling. Using their power to line their pockets at the expense of the people they are supposed to be representing.

Originally Posted by AetheLov077064e

If you have the time (life is busy, and it's not like you're my researcher) could you help me to understand why it's so interesting?

A few things i suppose. I can appreciate a man standing behind his convictions and refusing to follow a law that he sincerely feels un-just. Even after going through the courts. Remember, in his eyes, the higher up the case goes, the more corrupt the system. To him, he has been beaten down by a series of bought and paid for judges, and honestly, as more information comes out about how this whole thing started, i can see how he believes that.

I find it interesting that the BLM finds it necessary to bring along a small army of heavily armed officials to round up his cattle. The man owes a reported 1.1M in fees for the last 20 years of land use..... were they going to auction off the cattle for 1.1M? I don't think so. Its even being reported now that the BLM actually killed some of the cattle. That itself may be a crime. Why not simply arrest the man for not paying his fines and fees? Is it because the "Patriot nutjobs with guns" would try to come to his rescue? I doubt it as people of all walks of life get arrested every day and you don't see a turnout like this fiasco.

I find the public reaction interesting. How self described patriots rally to his side as if he has ZERO culpability in the matter, and liberals by the thousands are screaming to have them all shot.

I'm curious just how "anti government" he really is. I seriously cannot trust the MSM to play this one straight. They continuously refer to Tea Party members as "anti government" and nothing could be further from the truth. So is it that he thinks the whole federal government is illegitimate, or just this department of the government (which some say is simply an offshore corporation started in Puerto Rico.... got no idea where that one came from)?

Originally Posted by AetheLov077064e

I get that this guy, and lots of the people who are showing him support, are concerned about the injustice of creeping federal authority. That same thing concerns me too.

But it still seems to me like this isn't much more interesting than a guy who doesn't want to pay his grazing fees.

I don't have a problem with someone who doesn't want to pay grazing fees. But he lost in court.

For now. Jim Crow laws stood up in court for a few years too didn't they? What brought about that change? I think hes trying to make a stand to make a more important point. Its not about the fees or fines or taxes, its about just how far the Government is willing go to appease global corporate interests. He seems to think his case in particular will shine some light on that, and he has the balls to carry it through. Im not sure he has the ammunition though. But i give him props for doing it.

Originally Posted by AetheLov077064e

It makes me sad too - the hate, the small mindedness; the poorly expressed logic, or correctly expressed flawed logic (or poorly expressed bad logic).

Anyway, I'm willing to hear that this guy has a real case. I just haven't heard it yet.

Cheers,


AetheLove

Like you, i want to keep an open mind and hear what he has to say. I will most likely miss his interview tonight but will find it on the web im sure. What would really make me sad is, if he actually does have a case that makes sense to folks like you and i, but it is drowned out and obfuscated to the point where he becomes a domestic terrorist and a majority of people end up calling for his head on a spike.

As to how anti-government:
-believes in the sovereign State of Nevada
-does not consider the US to be sovereign or have any authority or power whatsoever