Thread: Student Loans Good or Bad?

Originally Posted by dex71

When u rebuild a battery,what gets removed, and what is done with that material?

As for the food, its a matter of principal. Besides that, what of the food we brinv to places that have been affected by disaster? Corn meal is a lifesaver. Ask a Hatian. Either way, we dont need to artificially inflate the price of corn.

Wait until all of the farmers are growing weed. Then we'll see how much a gallon of corn fuel costs. Lol.


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Again, we don't need to artifically inflate the price of oil. I am almost positive you consume more gasoline than you do corn. If not, then I would pay money to see your shit.

My whole point is that the corn industry is such a non issue compared to big oil, big tobacco, and alcohol industries. At least the ethanol is an attempt to make things better, regardless if it is a failed attempt or an idea that didn't work out.

Originally Posted by HeavyG

Again, we don't need to artifically inflate the price of oil. I am almost positive you consume more gasoline than you do corn. If not, then I would pay money to see your shit.

My whole point is that the corn industry is such a non issue compared to big oil, big tobacco, and alcohol industries. At least the ethanol is an attempt to make things better, regardless if it is a failed attempt or an idea that didn't work out.

Big Ethanol has nothing to do with Big Oil, Big Tobacco, Big Alcohol, Big Pharma, or Mr. Big (although their lyrics were sometimes corny). One of the key differences is that Big Oil actually produces tax dollars, rather than only consuming them. The biggest way we inflate the price of gasoline is the taxes we ADD to every drop of it. Sure, the oil companies get subsidies, but gas is taxed every step of the way from crude to gas pump, while e85 is subsidized at every step from stalk to pump.

Big Ethanol is a product of Big Ag (not our Big Ag, of course ). It's always been about raising the price of corn. Nothing more. It certainly can't be about saving or conserving anything since it consumes more fossil fuels in its production than it ever saves in its consumption. It was never an attempt at anything other than buying the votes of corn farmers.

I'm all for attempting to make things better, as long as when we reralize something isn't working, we can change directions. E85 has done more harm than good, and dropping it is loooooong overdue. At least strip the subsidies, and see how long it stands on its own.

If, in 1880, we decided to improve the wagon wheel by making it square, how long before we discovered that round really was the best way to make a wheel? How long after that should we continue to make square wagon wheels? Just because an attempt was (or wasn't) made, doesn't mean we need to continue after we realize it doesn't work. E85 is about as useful as a square wagon wheel.

Originally Posted by HeavyG

My whole point is that the corn industry is such a non issue compared to big oil, big tobacco, and alcohol industries.

Corn and Pot are the US's two biggest cash crops.......by a mile. Tobacco doesn't even make the top 10 on many lists.

Corn may not be the same level as oil, but in the US, it very much does dominate the farming industry.
Major Crops Grown in the United States | Ag 101 | Agriculture | US EPA

That is to say, that yes, corn is a big deal. It dominates the US agriculture industry to the same degree that oil/natural gas dominates the energy industry.

As for batteries, there are disposal methods that are better the environment in existence (there are also methods for non-battery components in electronics that are also harmful if not disposed of correctly). Some foreign countries use laws to make sure these methods are used. In the US, it's voluntary. Apple is one company that voluntarily uses those programs (it's why if you ditch your old iDevice, you should send it back to Apple to be recycled).

Apple RULES!

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Hell no. General ed should be free but classes going toward the actual career choice should have a fee. We can get into the $200 book thing at a later date because thats some bullshit.

Way behind on the thread, but that isn't a bad idea. Gen Ed classes seemed hit or miss on if they had use or just bullshit (for example, one of my geography one did talk about a few things that have come up in upper division classes but many others have had little use).

I've been pretty lucky (some years) with teachers realizing the book market is bullshit and using cheaper older editions. New editions are often total bullshit. If Twilight author or whoever released a book with a few changed words and maybe a chapter moved around, and charged full price for it people would be pissed. Textbook market just seems to be "Deal with it."

(and yes, had a professor once who told us we were using an older book because the expensive new one just switched Chapter 8 to Chapter 7 and Chapter 7 to Chapter 8. Oh one I have now, so far they changed page numbers of some things and apparently changed a couple words in the chapter questions).