Saw this... thought about some people i know....

**Xavsnipe** · 07-21-14, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

I already gave you that answer. You know why people dont walk across the desert? It isnt because its cant be done, its because the risk of death is to high. Once the risk is to high the flow will drop to a trickle. Nothing will ever be 100% because some people are just to stupid to understand ie. the dipshits that got arrested crossing into NK.

Right well, we´ve been over this...people always think the grass is greener on the other side. You have 2 options: 1. die here 2. die trying ... as we´ve seen, many many people choose the second. Not everyone, mind you; there´s a shitton of people that choose to stay and grind it out in hopes of a better future at home.

**Xavsnipe** · 07-21-14, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

According to you housing, food, medicine, education, and asylum.

Really...and I said give it to them for free? Quote me.

**dex71** · 07-21-14, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Show me one place where the government doesn´t have its hand inside the people´s pockets?

Drugs. The fun ones. Also, for now (at least here in God's Country), internet sales. No taxes on either.

**Xavsnipe** · 07-21-14, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by dex71

Drugs. The fun ones. Also, for now (at least here in God's Country), internet sales. No taxes on either.

I meant one country where the government doesn´t have its hands in our pockets.

**CivilWars** · 07-21-14, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Really...and I said give it to them for free? Quote me.

When you state that people are lining up in other countries to pay for it then doesn't that make it free to them? If it is not free then why do we need all of these people from Germany, China, and Holland to pay for all of this stuff?

**CivilWars** · 07-21-14, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

I meant one country where the government doesn´t have its hands in our pockets.

All of them, but to what degree?

**Xavsnipe** · 07-21-14, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

When you state that people are lining up in other countries to pay for it then doesn't that make it free to them? If it is not free then why do we need all of these people from Germany, China, and Holland to pay for all of this stuff?

Left out the part where these immigrants work without pay? They´ll repay the investment with work.

It´s about the $$$$$ ...don´t loose sight of the $$.. it´s all about the $$

How can we turn this problem into a money maker, is the train of thought I´ve got. (technically, it already is for many companies that hire illegals, but that´s not the point here)

**dex71** · 07-21-14, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

I meant one country where the government doesn´t have its hands in our pockets.

I'm an American. Every countries hands are in our pockets. When anything bad happens, we are looked-to first, and all too often last. For as much as we like to be the World's Police, we are forced to be Mommy and Daddy as well. The same can't be said of any other country. Not even close.

Either way, we are already spending a mega-shit-ton in benefits, enforcement, and deportations. We have tried amnesty, and it has proven to not work. Making it easy to be here doesn't seem to be working, and in fact is contributing to the problem. If we really want things to change, it begins with us, and has less to do with walls, ghettos, and bullets. We need to make the American Dream for ticket holders only, or our children's children will be having this same conversation.

**deathgodusmc** · 07-21-14, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Right well, we´ve been over this...people always think the grass is greener on the other side. You have 2 options: 1. die here 2. die trying ... as we´ve seen, many many people choose the second. Not everyone, mind you; there´s a shitton of people that choose to stay and grind it out in hopes of a better future at home.

And i agreed but it only applies when it is a feasible option. Change the conditions they encounter and it must be reevaluated.

**deathgodusmc** · 07-21-14, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

I meant one country where the government doesn´t have its hands in our pockets.

You have to be clear on what you're referring to. There are countries that have no income tax but at the same time you have to be realistic. It takes money for a government to supply things that people like. Personally i like having roads and shit.