Saw this... thought about some people i know....

**dex71** · 07-21-14, 05:55 PM

And if every illegal had a spliff in his/her pocket, we would be knee deep in spliffs.

The signs at the Home Depots up here in GC have everything in Spanish. That isn't for the illegal Canadians.....

**Xavsnipe** · 07-21-14, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by dex71

Take their kids out of our schools......deny them ANY kind of financial help (WIC, Food Stamps, ect)....Any contact with a government official results in immediate deportation.....any money they have, or property they own is immeditely confiscated (since it was gained illegally)....businesses get fined heavy for giving them a job, and if they got that job with forged documents, they do some prison time before they can join the rest of their families.

There are all kinds of things we can do. Some are easy, and some would be tough, but both will be necessary. As long as we are giving the American Dream away to all those who can cross the Red Rover line, there will be folks running for it.

Make it easier, cheaper, and faster to become a legal citizen, and make it tough as Hell to come any other way, and we will see huge results.

Why hasn´t this been done? I see these as pretty simple and reasonable solutions.

**Xavsnipe** · 07-21-14, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by dex71

None.

The drug runners use the illegals as mules, but only out of convienience. The drug problem was around long before our borders dissolved.

Yea, but the people that make money from bringing these illegal immigrants over are drug cartels. Smuggling people into the U.S. is it´s own big business already.

**CivilWars** · 07-21-14, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Why hasn´t this been done? I see these as pretty simple and reasonable solutions.

Because there are more people like you that think we should give people something for nothing, or at best something for very little, and less people that say we shouldn't give them anything but a one way ticket home. And before you say quote me answer the question of what these children are going to do for a living that will pay for everything you propose that they get in these facilities. I have 3 kids, so I know what it costs to shelter, clothe, feed, and raise them. I also know how much they are incapable of making, and I can assure you that even if I put them all to work they wouldn't come anywhere close to being able to pay their own way. So until you can prove otherwise you ARE in fact advocating giving them things either for free, or for far less than they would cost anyone else.

**Xavsnipe** · 07-21-14, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by CivilWars

Because there are more people like you that think we should give people something for nothing, or at best something for very little, and less people that say we shouldn't give them anything but a one way ticket home. And before you say quote me answer the question of what these children are going to do for a living that will pay for everything you propose that they get in these facilities. I have 3 kids, so I know what it costs to shelter, clothe, feed, and raise them. I also know how much they are incapable of making, and I can assure you that even if I put them all to work they wouldn't come anywhere close to being able to pay their own way. So until you can prove otherwise you ARE in fact advocating giving them things either for free, or for far less than they would cost anyone else.

And you keep insisting... stop putting words in my fuckin mouth. I´ve never said give anyone anything for free. Start from there and I´ll answer you fuckin questions, yea?

**dex71** · 07-21-14, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Why hasn´t this been done? I see these as pretty simple and reasonable solutions.

Police can't even check immigration status in many States. We are politically soooo far away from any of those things happening, it's not funny.

Burying our heads in the sand to the problem is our fault. Trying to take the easy way out and granting mass amnesty not only didn't work, but it accellerated the problem. As I said before, we need to do the heavy lifting on the changing, or our children's children will be having this same conversation.

**Xavsnipe** · 07-21-14, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by dex71

Police can't even check immigration status in many States. We are politically soooo far away from any of those things happening, it's not funny.

Burying our heads in the sand to the problem is our fault. Trying to take the easy way out and granting mass amnesty not only didn't work, but it accellerated the problem. As I said before, we need to do the heavy lifting on the changing, or our children's children will be having this same conversation.

Yea, I guess so...but really, what you´ve said so far are by far the simplest steps to start out with. That and I believe really harsh fines for companies found hiring illegal workers.

**CivilWars** · 07-21-14, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

And you keep insisting... stop putting words in my fuckin mouth. I´ve never said give anyone anything for free. Start from there and I´ll answer you fuckin questions, yea?

How are they paying for it? What work are they doing that covers the cost of everything you say they should get? Until you can answer that then I have to assume that, as you have said, other people are donating money to cover the costs of these programs. So no, I have placed no words in your mouth as you have said there are NPOs lined up to pay for these things, correct? So instead of giving them stuff for free can we agree you want to give it to them for really, really cheap?

**dex71** · 07-21-14, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Yea, but the people that make money from bringing these illegal immigrants over are drug cartels. Smuggling people into the U.S. is it´s own big business already.

Only because they are in the smuggling business already. We have already seen humans being packed into trucks in the same way Kilo's of coca get packed into trucks. The cartels are just taking advantage of a business they are already running.

Scaryier yet is when the cartels figure out that terrorists also pay well to get6 shit into the US. What's a dirty bomb when you are getting tons of product into the US already?

**deathgodusmc** · 07-21-14, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Yea. In my perspective, I don´t see that happening in our lifetime (the militarized zone with mine fields, unmanned pods etc etc). Not one politician will risk popularity over that.

The winds of time can change things dramatically. Illegal immigration has gone back and forth for a long time. The populatity of closing the border completely is gaining steam. It may not be to long before those once radical ideas like mine become a common point of interest.