Thread: Bombs Dropped

Originally Posted by Kanati

Eventually they'll run out of people or ambition or hate or whatever.... or we'll run out of bomb shaped dicks. Sometime between now and a few thousand years from now. Want to have a pool to determine when that is?

So, you see...nothing gets solved with dropping bombs or firing bullets

Originally Posted by deputyfestus

So you would be just fine and dandy with some asshole tyrant that for example said all men must kneel and lick my balls and no one gave a shit to stop it....sorry bad example in your case.

Ayayay. Like always, the general concept is what you (everyone that thinks that bombs solve anything) don´t seem to understand.

There is a tyrant like that now somewhere in the world, yea? Killing him is not going to solve anything. Like some general said in an interview I watched somewhere "only in the 20th century do we think that colonizing an area takes merely a few weeks".

Where does this belief come from? If you kill a dictator, there is an immense power vacuum left. The colonizing power has to stay in control for years and years and years and years to stabilize that country.

You´ll say "we´re not colonizing, we´re bringing peace and democracy". Seriously people, we´re grown ups, I urge you to think critically. What has been done in the recent wars is, by definition, an act of colonialism. The problem is you can´t just pull out in a few years and expect everything to work like a well oiled machine.

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Ayayay. Like always, the general concept is what you (everyone that thinks that bombs solve anything) don´t seem to understand.

There is a tyrant like that now somewhere in the world, yea? Killing him is not going to solve anything. Like some general said in an interview I watched somewhere "only in the 20th century do we think that colonizing an area takes merely a few weeks".

Where does this belief come from? If you kill a dictator, there is an immense power vacuum left. The colonizing power has to stay in control for years and years and years and years to stabilize that country.

You´ll say "we´re not colonizing, we´re bringing peace and democracy". Seriously people, we´re grown ups, I urge you to think critically. What has been done in the recent wars is, by definition, an act of colonialism. The problem is you can´t just pull out in a few years and expect everything to work like a well oiled machine.

In some cases what you say is true in others its not. There really is not recognized format for removing a dictator that will be successful. If there was cleaning up the world would be easy. Sometimes all it takes is a short amount of time and sometimes no amount of time will be get the job done. Sometimes the outcome is less important then that persons removal from power. Saddam was a good example of that but we already knew not to have high hopes for what comes out of it. By default imo we are responsible for what happens afterwards and should continue to step in when it gets out of hand.


On another note i put the term terrorism and global warming in the same bag. Both are over used as reasons for doing something. Should we elliminate terrorists when we see them? Absolutely and without hesitation but when you declare a war on terrorism its easy to lose sight of the big picture because everyone can fit the mold. So when you say a new person steps in to fill the gap your right but not everyone will fight the same fight. Eventually you will find the one that thinks discussion is the better path then bullets. So no you dont have to kill all of them, just the ones that continue to take up arms instead of talking. It is the larger percentage though.

The problem, dgod, is that we think that imposing "our world" on people will fly with everyone. Everyone will greet us with flowers and open arms and take it up the ass with a smile on their face; that is just not reality.

It´s the same thing that colonial powers have done for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. "Our way is better than theirs; we will show them how life is meant to be lived". That is the inherent problem: world powers try to impose and force themselves onto others. And that is usually not tolerated and is fervently rejected in most cases.

Originally Posted by Kanati

Depends on what you mean by solved. Will we end it by bombing them? Not bloody likely. But will we push them back to where they are nearly irrelevant? We could do that. I doubt we will, but it will be by choice and not for lack of ability. Having them spread across the middle east like they are a crazy beheading alexander the great is probably in nobody's best interest outside of their own. So stopping that spread is the best we can hope for.

Push who back? Have you seen how irrelevant Al Qaeda has become today? There´s a new boogieman in town: he´s called ISIS. Lots of these terrorist organizations have been funded and protected by allies of the U.S. and Britain for decades. Hell, the U.S. and Britain have armed many of these terrorists themselves. The western powers are responsible for the creation of many of the organizations we now consider "terrorist". Who are you going to bomb?

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

The problem, dgod, is that we think that imposing "our world" on people will fly with everyone. Everyone will greet us with flowers and open arms and take it up the ass with a smile on their face; that is just not reality.

It´s the same thing that colonial powers have done for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. "Our way is better than theirs; we will show them how life is meant to be lived". That is the inherent problem: world powers try to impose and force themselves onto others. And that is usually not tolerated and is fervently rejected in most cases.

Thats not true. We know our politics aren't the perfect fit every where and that is why we let them determine what their system will be. A lot of people do greet us with open arms when we step in for shit like this. The ones that dont ie the terrorists are the vast minority or at least thats what we're led to believe by the nation of islam in this case.

How things happened hundreds and hundreds of years ago doesn't even come close to comparing to what we do currently. There are plenty of cases i could give that would be a good fit for that like the warlords in africa but that isn't what we do. The sad part is you make these statements but can you give an example for when we went to war for us that isn't over 200 years ago? Do you know how many times we eat shit because we didn't step in or didn't step in fast enough? Dude its fucking ridiculous the amount of hate thrown at this country because we didn't put ourselves in harms way fast enough for them. Then when you do the other side for obvious reason hates you and then some that agreed with the other side hates you. If your going to be judged by level of hate we won this game long ago just by the ones we didn't step in for.

I've always been of the mind set do whats right and damn the haters. Odds are those people would never understand what a different world it would be without the US stepping where and when it does. Some like calling it a global police force and that we should stop but that isn't possible. Someone has to answer the call and we are the only world power that can no matter where that call came from. You think people gets killed now by dictators and such try imagining what it would be like without our presence. Its a shitty job but someone has to do it.

Originally Posted by Xavsnipe

Push who back? Have you seen how irrelevant Al Qaeda has become today? There´s a new boogieman in town: he´s called ISIS. Lots of these terrorist organizations have been funded and protected by allies of the U.S. and Britain for decades. Hell, the U.S. and Britain have armed many of these terrorists themselves. The western powers are responsible for the creation of many of the organizations we now consider "terrorist". Who are you going to bomb?

You do know who are you going to bomb is a stupid question right? You keep asking and its been answered several times now. In this op you bomb ISIS where you find them. For israel its hamas where ever they find them. Body counts are very real counts of how well bombs actually work. Peace thru superior fire power and it does work. I f you dont think it does ask yourself how many people/countries claim they hate the US and how many of those have come here to do something about it.

uhuh...just like the Talibs and Al Qaeda got bombed and obliterated in Pakistan, India, Europe etc, right?

Who is ISIS? How many ISIS are there? Where are they? Show me.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

The sad part is you make these statements but can you give an example for when we went to war for us that isn't over 200 years ago?

I don´t know if I misread you but are you saying that in over 200 years the U.S. has not gone to war for self interests? This is the SOLE reason the U.S. goes to war.