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    Quote Originally Posted by AetheLove View Post
    Are you saying that conflicts of interest are evenly spread across all scientists, and that such conflicts have no correlation with large sums of money provided by private or corporate entities that have direct financial interests in the subject of study?


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    I was referring to both sides of this particular topic but there are others that have the same issues.

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    I just can't argue this topic. Not that there isn't evidence to support it, but because no matter how much evidence there is, some people are just too incredibly stubborn to even consider that it is a possibility.

    Just remember that the glaciers are melting at an incredible rate. Greenland is melting meters and meters of ice away every single year. Sea level is rising. These are all things that are being measured and WILL have impact to our lives within the next few decades.

    Call it what you want. Either global warming or climate change, without a doubt, humans contribute to adding heat to our atmosphere, and while we may not be able to completely prevent sea level rising, we could definitely slow it down.

    From what I can see now, those that are playing ignorant now are the ones that are trying to better line their pockets TODAY, and don't give a crap about the future. Energy companies don't want to be restricted. Alternative "green" energy sources are just too expensive, so they are an afterthought. This is where the problem lies... they should be at forethought.

    Personally, I think the human race is doomed over the next 100 years anyways, so maybe it isn't even worth worrying about. Humans are just too selfish, greedy, and stupid. We will likely have some sort of nuclear war wipe us all out before global warming will hit us. That being said, we can either choose to try to make a difference, or just give up now and accept our fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyG View Post
    I just can't argue this topic. Not that there isn't evidence to support it, but because no matter how much evidence there is, some people are just too incredibly stubborn to even consider that it is a possibility.

    Just remember that the glaciers are melting at an incredible rate. Greenland is melting meters and meters of ice away every single year. Sea level is rising. These are all things that are being measured and WILL have impact to our lives within the next few decades.

    Call it what you want. Either global warming or climate change, without a doubt, humans contribute to adding heat to our atmosphere, and while we may not be able to completely prevent sea level rising, we could definitely slow it down.

    From what I can see now, those that are playing ignorant now are the ones that are trying to better line their pockets TODAY, and don't give a crap about the future. Energy companies don't want to be restricted. Alternative "green" energy sources are just too expensive, so they are an afterthought. This is where the problem lies... they should be at forethought.

    Personally, I think the human race is doomed over the next 100 years anyways, so maybe it isn't even worth worrying about. Humans are just too selfish, greedy, and stupid. We will likely have some sort of nuclear war wipe us all out before global warming will hit us. That being said, we can either choose to try to make a difference, or just give up now and accept our fate.
    Actually, i just heard today that Iran is Far Far Far away from having the capabilities to even try to produce a small amount of any part of a nuclear weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyG View Post
    I just can't argue this topic. Not that there isn't evidence to support it, but because no matter how much evidence there is, some people are just too incredibly stubborn to even consider that it is a possibility.

    Just remember that the glaciers are melting at an incredible rate. Greenland is melting meters and meters of ice away every single year. Sea level is rising. These are all things that are being measured and WILL have impact to our lives within the next few decades.

    Call it what you want. Either global warming or climate change, without a doubt, humans contribute to adding heat to our atmosphere, and while we may not be able to completely prevent sea level rising, we could definitely slow it down.

    From what I can see now, those that are playing ignorant now are the ones that are trying to better line their pockets TODAY, and don't give a crap about the future. Energy companies don't want to be restricted. Alternative "green" energy sources are just too expensive, so they are an afterthought. This is where the problem lies... they should be at forethought.

    Personally, I think the human race is doomed over the next 100 years anyways, so maybe it isn't even worth worrying about. Humans are just too selfish, greedy, and stupid. We will likely have some sort of nuclear war wipe us all out before global warming will hit us. That being said, we can either choose to try to make a difference, or just give up now and accept our fate.
    A good thing because you have accepted as fact a ton of myth and fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amador +JP2+ View Post
    A good thing because you have accepted as fact a ton of myth and fantasy.

    Speaking of fantasy...

    I have a little fantasy art project.

    I want to have a large granite (or maybe basalt, or perhaps obsidian) monument made.

    I'm thinking 'obelisk', but I'm open to other ideas. It will be a monument to all the heroes in business, media, and government who fought the good fight against all the scientist nut-jobs who have been trying (since, as far as I can tell, the 1960s) to poison our minds with this nonsense about anthropogenic climate change.

    The names of these heroes will be carved into the stone. This list - The Roll Of The Righteous - will serve as a reminder to future generations that speaking out against 'theory' is a virtue unto itself; and so that the names of those who denounced and fought against this misguided pseudo-science will be remembered by those who come after.

    Those who have exhibited the greatest bravery will have their names carved in the largest letters, along with their most heroic quote, closest to the base in the section of the monument I call "The Foundation Of Righteousness."

    The monument will be erected on a submerged base such that the names of the Most Righteous are just above the high-tide mark - their heads forever above water, surveying a sea that will never rise - so that future generations can visit the monument, contemplate the delicate balance that history uses to judge us all, and hopefully understand the lesson that these leaders have taught us.

    I'm currently considering locations. Initially I was thinking Chesapeake Bay so that there could be convenient excursions from the Potomac. There are a few very low islands in the Bay that would make for excellent viewing. But I suppose that the ocean isn't very worried about our convenience, so if there are other location ideas I'd be happy to hear them.

    I think this monument will pay for itself. The Righteous themselves will surely be lining up to help fund their immortality. I think they'll be eager that we all remember who they were and what they said.

    Cheers,


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    Quote Originally Posted by AetheLove View Post
    Speaking of fantasy...

    I have a little fantasy art project.

    I want to have a large granite (or maybe basalt, or perhaps obsidian) monument made.

    I'm thinking 'obelisk', but I'm open to other ideas. It will be a monument to all the heroes in business, media, and government who fought the good fight against all the scientist nut-jobs who have been trying (since, as far as I can tell, the 1960s) to poison our minds with this nonsense about anthropogenic climate change.

    The names of these heroes will be carved into the stone. This list - The Roll Of The Righteous - will serve as a reminder to future generations that speaking out against 'theory' is a virtue unto itself; and so that the names of those who denounced and fought against this misguided pseudo-science will be remembered by those who come after.

    Those who have exhibited the greatest bravery will have their names carved in the largest letters, along with their most heroic quote, closest to the base in the section of the monument I call "The Foundation Of Righteousness."

    The monument will be erected on a submerged base such that the names of the Most Righteous are just above the high-tide mark - their heads forever above water, surveying a sea that will never rise - so that future generations can visit the monument, contemplate the delicate balance that history uses to judge us all, and hopefully understand the lesson that these leaders have taught us.

    I'm currently considering locations. Initially I was thinking Chesapeake Bay so that there could be convenient excursions from the Potomac. There are a few very low islands in the Bay that would make for excellent viewing. But I suppose that the ocean isn't very worried about our convenience, so if there are other location ideas I'd be happy to hear them.

    I think this monument will pay for itself. The Righteous themselves will surely be lining up to help fund their immortality. I think they'll be eager that we all remember who they were and what they said.

    Cheers,


    AethLove
    Unfortunately your heroes are in bed with the nut job scientists on the anthropogenic side so I don't know who's name should go at the top. I guess top or bottom is personal preference at this point.

    Here's the thing, if the media was all about attacking the nut job anthropogenic scientists then I would think they would've been pushing the fact that Antarctic ice has been breaking record HIGH levels consistently for years now, down our throats like they do with every other bull shit propaganda story they run. But they're not. They're actually pushing the fear campaign of you're going to die from heat and floods and and and global warming.

    You see, Antarctic ice was up 2.5 million sqkm above the average from 1981-2010 during its annual peak between Dec 2014 and Jan 2015 which is up 138% from the same time last year where the peak was 1.05 million sqkm above average.

    2.5\1.05=1.38
    1.38*100=138%

    Yep my math is correct.

    138% increase in Antarctic sea ice above the base line average in a YEAR...

    Haven't heard a good explanation for this consistent upward trend in total ice from the anthropogenic argument yet.
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    Unfortunately your heroes are in bed with the nut job scientists on the anthropogenic side so I don't know who's name should go at the top. I guess top or bottom is personal preference at this point.

    Is it possible you misunderstand the core idea of the (at this point, imaginary) artwork?

    Quote Originally Posted by grayman View Post
    You see, Antarctic ice was up 2.5 million sqkm above the average from 1981-2010 during its annual peak between Dec 2014 and Jan 2015 which is up 138% from the same time last year where the peak was 1.05 million sqkm above average.

    2.5\1.05=1.38
    1.38*100=138%

    Yep my math is right.

    It never occurred to me that I should check it.


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    Haven't heard a good explanation for this consistent upward trend in total ice from the anthropogenic argument yet.
    It's not about whether the explanation can live up to your opinion, Its whether or not it can live up to your conservative radio talk show producers pocket book.....

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    There's also this, from the link you provided....oh, wait I had to dig that up. It's like you kids never learn....
    But this is where you or your radio show host got his information...
    Antarctic sea ice extent reached record high levels for late December 2014 and early January 2015, peaking around January 10 at more than 2.5 million square kilometers (965,000 square miles) above the 1981 to 2010 average, and 1.05 million square kilometers (580,000 square miles) above the previous record (2014) for that date. As noted last month, the largest excursions are occurring in the northern Weddell Sea and the northern Ross Sea. After January 10, and particularly after January 19, sea ice extent dropped rapidly (~250,000 square kilometers, or 96,500 square miles, per day), and large areas of the northern Ross Sea became ice free. The northern Weddell region still has a very large ice extent relative to average conditions.
    Weather conditions during late December and January help to explain these changes. In the northern Weddell Sea, southerly winds (more so than average) and cool conditions relative to the 1981 to 2010 average prevailed for late December and all of January, and sea ice there remained high relative to long-term averages for the month. For the northern Ross Sea, air temperatures at the 925 hPa level have been slightly above average for the entire period, but winds in this area shifted during January, from southerly (pushing ice outward) to northwesterly. The combination of northerly winds and slightly warm conditions seems to have reduced the ice extent anomaly significantly in this sector.
    Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

    So please pull another arbitrary phenomena from your armpit and demand an explanation from "our side"
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