Thread: Ok, i kept quiet but enough is enough.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Let me say this slowly because apparently its being over looked. This is Florida. Every resort near water is built near gators. A beach makes no difference what so ever on alligators being there. In fact they prefer bushy areas. It conceals them being there to a degree and there really aren't any people. Gators dont actually like being around us to begin with.

I get all that. So don't build next to a lake, or don't build in Florida. You make it sound like the universe forces hotels to be next to lakes. Disney terra-forms everything. They don't build small-scale. They sculpt the landscape to fit their eco-architect design.

I don't think that Disney willfully caused a death. I think they grossly miscalculated some odds.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Making it hard to get to the water doesn't stop people from getting to the water. The parks they closed are off limits and one is an island. That however hasn't stopped people from getting to them..

Completely true. But if that beach had been fenced off and the family had cut a hole in the fence, how do you think that would have affected the civil suit?

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

45 years of no issue proves the beach is not the issue. You all can try to play that card till you're blue in the face but until a few days ago 0 people have had any issues on all of disney property which includes those beaches. All he had to do was not ignore the sing and his son would still be alive.

The sign said "No Swimming". Was anyone swimming?

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

So when you hiking you follow the trail? Thats not hiking in my book. I blaze my own trail and there are no signs there..

Well, bully for you.

In my world - among my fellow hikers - "on the trail" is where you are when you're out in the wilderness. Sometimes we are on an actual trail. Sometimes we are bushwhacking. Sometimes we're in places that require you to be on the marked trail - for example, some high-altitude alpine environments.

Sometimes we're in a canoe or a kayak. When we get back, and someone asks where we were, sometimes the answer is "on the trail." Sometimes the answer is "canoeing". Never is the answer "on a lake", even though that is a much better literal description.

That said, I know that my world isn't the whole world. I have room in my brain for the possibility that other people will use other phrases to describe similar things.

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

No swimming has never not once in our history meant no life guard on duty. Its means keep your fucktarded ass out of the fucking water. Dont try to muddy the topic with nonsense. Oh and i've lived all over the country so i know thats not accurate.

I haven't lived all over the country. I think I've only lived in 9 states. But I have been a lifeguard. At the time, if a place was open for the season but didn't have a lifeguard that day or that afternoon (for whatever reason), they might post a sign that said "No Swimming - Lifeguard Not On Duty", or some other variation. For a place that had decided not to open for public swimming that year (for example, at a private lake that adjoined a golf club), they might post a sign that said:

No Swimming

I'm sure it's different in different places.


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Originally Posted by Phyrelight

45 years with 0 issues? You may want to do a google search before making that claim. This is just one reported incident of a gator attack at Disney..this one from 1986 when he was 8. He survived. Just because we don't hear about it in the media doesn't mean it didn't happen. If this had happened and it didn't get out so fast I am willing to be Disney would have paid dearly to keep it out of the news

Man seized by Disney gator in '86 horrified for boy's family

I also agree that the family is to blame as its posted no swimming. I have been on that beach when I stayed at the Grand Floridian a years ago. I remember thinking to myself...wow nice beach, too bad the water looks nasty. My wife quickly pointed out...that is what the pools are for, this beach is just for decoration. At that time I didn't really know about gators either. It wasn't until a trip many years later than we stayed off property and did an air boat tour ....there were A LOT of gators....

Honestly i dont know how much i buy the story of a man that just came forward.

Originally Posted by dex71

Disney should have had a fence. Not to keep gators out of the lake, but to keep people out of the lake. Disney groomed a potentially dangerous area, and invited folks to enjoy it. Disney invited their uneducated and often inebriated guests to an area that was only inches from disaster at any given moment. Because it hadn't happened yet doesn't mean it wasn't eventually going to happen, it just means that their luck didn't run out until yesterday.

And if we are to get technical, wading is NOT swimming. They are two different words because they are two different things. I took swimming lessons as a kid.....I don't know anyone who took wading lessons.

At fault or not doesn't matter. Disney will pay dearly in two ways. They will get to pay the family, and they will take the pr hit and likely lose a bit of income. I'm sure they will be fine, but this will most certainly leave a scar.

And for the record.....This is yet another reason why real Winters rule. We don't have poisonous snakes to worry about (and spare me the Timber Rattler bullshit), we don't have many bugs that can kill you, and we sure as fuck don't have prehistoric lizards infesting our lakes. Our lakes are infested with drunk Scandanavians....the way God intended.

You under estimate disneys power in this state. I want anyone to name a company that can have a major highway shut down just to bring in a couple statues. If disney pays anything it will be in an out of court settlement just like every time before.

Originally Posted by dex71

You wouln't need to fence in the entire lake.....just the part Disney turned into a beach. If folks had to walk an extra 100 yards, and enter the water in a grassy (or otherwise un-beached)/ weedy / rocky area, folks would be much less likely to do so, DG is right when he says that fences won't keep all of the people out of areas they shouldn't be in, but a fence would have most likely worked here. I HIGHLY doubt that this guy would have walked around a barrier of any type to allow his son to splash in the water a little bit.

As for different terminology in different parts of the country, folks in Wisconsin call drinking fountains "bubblers". There is no sane explanation as to why.

Alligators can walk down the fence line. You either have to be all in or you're wasting your time and money.